Just for clarity, and I'm not pissed or anything, I was very careful (I believe) during the religious discussions to say specifically "creationists" or "christian-extremists" because I hate when people generalize and if I did it was a mistake. I remember even defining that and expanding, saying how every group has its fundamentalists, its extremists and its fringe members. When it comes to teaching creationism in school I have no reason to be mad at all of Christianity, just creationists.

I only wanted to make sure you understand that I'm not a fan of blanket statements either.

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this is the tough part. where/why do we stop holding people accountable for their actions (not teaching gun safety to kids, accepting that accidents DO happen, etc) and start making blanket laws to prevent those things that also inhibit those people who have done nothing wrong? not to mention the half of the population who think (and reasonably so, as squanto and psp showed) that their constitutional rights are being restricted?

it's less what our sample of the board thinks. it'd be interesting to have a rational NRA or SCOPE member list some of the laws that have been proposed or passed that inhibit gun ownership.

I'm not saying that there aren't points for and against these laws or that some of them won't chap people's asses but I think they are a far cry away from my Uncle's opinion which is that the government is trying to disarm us so they can run the country as a military state. Comparing moderate gun legislation to the first steps of the Nazi party is ridiculous. All I'm saying is that feeling like your constitutional rights are being infringed upon is a normal, leveled response where as feeling like we're a few steps away from Nazi Germany is a bit nutty.

Legislation is going to piss a lot of people off no matter what the law is or no matter how wide or small the group of people it effects is. People may not agree and they may speak out which is perfectly fine but comparing our president to Hitler and Castro while insinuating that minor gun control laws will lead to concentration camps and control by force is loony tunes in my opinion.

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nice! Thanks.

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Anybody besdides me think this should be in the politics section?

I kind of do, but I don't really feel the hate in this thread that I like to feel in a political thread.

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The discussion is waaaaaay too civil for that section.

good job everybody!

Hahaha, it probably does belong in the polotic forum....I need to figure out how to move it. Yeah, breaking my move topic cherry.

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As family guy stated that the founding fathers said....

"Every person has a right to put bear arms on their wall... how could anyone misinterpret that??"


On a more serious note....

I think that while some regulations are needed to try and limit the availability of guns to psychopaths, there should never be a point where we cannot go buy a gun because the government has limited your ability to do so.... realistically, no one NEEDS a fucking RPG to defend themselves. But I feel that if someone wants to own an assault rifle, through the proper papers they can do so without any objection from me. Hell I have every intention of buying an ACR at some point, because pretty much they are sweet ass guns.

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LETS GO BUFFALO!

And Ill be honest, I just registered in a competition to win a new 12 gauge shotgun. YOU'RE WELCOME AMERICA!!! lol

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LETS GO BUFFALO!

ouch...my brain...it r ded

Haters gonna hate. The wife's lap top doesn't have spell check and I was low on coffee.

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Tell your uncle that all the countries we invade have automatic weapons, RPG's and old 155mm shells to use as bombs. It doesn't do them any good, so his methodology holds no water.

Just so you know, my pops is the political opposite of me, so I feel your pain.

So I did some research and found that the only two laws Obama has signed concerning gun control were one that allows people to bring guns into state parks and a second allows people to check and store guns on AMTRAK. Just to be clear, he's only passed things that gun owners should like, but the NRA is saying that he is waiting until his second term to ban weapons. So what is their problem?

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Flame me if you will - my bet is that race actually plays into this.

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They're just playing politics with it. They know this administration isn't going after guns now or anytime in the future, but they're screaming and yelling with it because Obama is a Democrat, and the NRA prefers Republicans in power.

No facts or reason are involved here. It's just run of the mill politics.

At this point it's pretty clear that for WHATEVER reason, the right thoroughly hates Obama. They have no higher objective than to remove him from office, and AN-Y-THING he does or proposes will be met with this same stance. and (GASP!) it even extends to making shit up for them to hate on!

I saw this post on FB, I haven't had the chance to research it all yet, but I figured it could add some fuel to a fairly decent discusion:

PROOF THAT WE HAVE SOME IDIOTS IN WASHINGTON
This is totally crazy and it should make you want to slap the hell out of the idiots we have in Washington DC.

Georgia Arms is the 5th largest retailer of .223 Ammo in America . They sell 9mm, .45, .223 ammunition. They normally buy spent brass from the US Department of Defense. Spent brass is "one time used" shell cases used by our Military for training purposes.

They buy the brass, recondition it, and then reload the brass for resale to Law Enforcement, Gun Clubs, Gun Shops, and stores like Wal-Mart. They normally buy 30,000 lbs of spent brass at a time.

This week the DoD wrote a letter to the owner of Georgia Arms and informed him that from now on the DoD will be destroying the spent brass, shredding it. It will no longer be available to the ammo makers, unless they buy it in a scrap shredded condition (which they have no use for).

The shredded brass is now going to be sold by the DoD to China as scrap metal, after the DoD pays for it to be shredded. The DoD is selling the brass to China for less money than the ammo makers have been paying, plus the DoD has to pay to have the brass shredded and do the accounting paperwork.

This sure helps the economy now doesn't it? Sell cheaper to China , and do not sell at all to a proven US business. Any hidden agenda working here? Obama going after the Firearms Industry and our ammunition!!
The Georgia Arms owner even related a story that one of his competitors had already purchased a load of brass last week. The DoD contacted him this week and said they were sending someone over to make sure it was destroyed. Shell cases he had already bought!

The brass has no value to the ammo maker if it is destroyed/shredded/melted.
The ammo manufacturer only uses the empty brass cases to reload different calibers, mainly .223 bullets.

The owner of Georgia Arms says that he will have to lay off at least half of his 60 workers, within 2-3 months if the DoD will no longer sell spent brass cases to the industry. Georgia Arms has 2-3 months of inventory to use, by summer they're out.

If the Reloading Industry has to purchase new manufacture brass cases, then the cost of ammunition will double or even triple, plus Obama wants to add a 500% tax on each shell.

You can read the information and see the DoD letter to Georgia Arms here:
The Shootist Sitehttp://www.theshootist.net/2009/03/ ... itary.html<https://webmail.metrobrokers.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theshootist.net%2F2009%2F03%2Fdod-ends-sale-of-expended-military.html>

If you're not outraged at what this administration is doing you
should be! Be Afraid! Be Very Very Afraid! Get involved! It's Your Freedom and Our Country They're Stealing! If You Fail to Act Now, there may not be a Free United States tomorrow!

I implore you to get involved and forward this to as many people
as you can. Contact your legislators and put them on notice, We're fed up with what's going on in the name of stimulating our economy!

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