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NYIntensity
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:43 pm 
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I just wanted to pop back in here and point out some of the assumptions and assertions made previously in this thread were completely wrong.
Specifically over the amount of tax subsidies provided to "Big Oil" and to the "green" companies.

According to the CBO, in 2011:
Big Oil and Big Coal received $3.4 billion in tax subsidies.
Big Green received $24 billion in tax subsidies. (Also, between 2009 and 2012, the DOE provided $25 billion in loans to green companies)

http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43040
http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012 ... to-greens/

I couldn't find numbers form 2111 when I looked before. Interesting to see just how much the trend appears to be changing from the CBO numbers. I would point out that $24 billion did NOT go to Green from those numbers. That's the TOTAL for ALL energy subsides, of which granted renewable got the Lion's share. But not $24 billion, that was for fossil, renewable, and nuclear combined.

I may be ignorant for doing so, but I group nuclear with renewable...it's a lot less caustic than fossil.

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nuclear isn't renewable


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If the real world were 'Legend', it is better to give money to the unicorn than it is to the goblins. Big oil makes enough profit anyways. ffs. This whole environmental debate should be about what's best, and when it's best. Any argument the world is in no peril from mankind is ridiculous. They just need to stop worrying about who lobbies the most, and decide when it's time to make some of the difficult changes that are going to have to be made eventually. Big oil will ALWAYS say never. This is how government(the people) are supposed to protect themselves from interest which are against their own good


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:15 am 
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PatGreen wrote:
nuclear isn't renewable

I know that.

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i mean it in a sense that you shouldn't group them together. if you don't think it fits in with old energy production and stuff, that's fine, but it's just as awkward to fit into renewable.


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I guess I group it because on the whole, it's less caustic than fossil fuels.

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as far as we know it is. it really depends on management. this is definitely a subject that hindsight is the only real gauge.


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It's not renewable if the biproduct needs to be burried underground for 40,000 years.


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I say we drill baby drill for Nuke-u-leur. You betcha.


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It's not renewable if the biproduct needs to be burried underground for 40,000 years.

Bury hell. Launch it at the sun. Burying it is stupid. That's like taking a shit and hiding it in your closet.

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