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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:36 pm 
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Tom Brokaw was on The Daily Show last night and he said he couldn't wait to hear what Dog the Bounty Hunter had to say about the election!!!

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Politics is like making sausage eh?


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Not quite getting whatever point you're trying to make with that oversized info-graphic there Cross.


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It's the quote above it, wildly attributed to Otto von Bismark, but wasn't really him who first said it.

Basically means that like making sausage, making laws is not good to watch.

(Either way the image was Drudge, so I ignored it. :p )


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I think it says a lot of the Republican mindset when you see the various rationalizations that pop up when someone from their party is called out for some crazy comment or another. Obviously the Dems have said crazy shit but they have nothin on the Repubs. The point of postin this was to show a nutty ad and what I came back at me was a bunch of so what kind of talk. haha....predictable. Someone says Obama will cause 1000 years of darkness and Repubs dont blink an eye. Someone says they dont like Mitts hair and right wing heads explode. hee hee.

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Why bother DF? You consistently play the "it's all their fault and hardly ever our fault" routine. You cling to concepts like "we" and "us", as if you truly and deeply associate yourself with "the left". On top of that you associate anyone who isn't with you as being far right nut jobs, as if there is little or no in between stances. I can't, even as an atheist, be "meh" about this religious based ad without you lumping me in with the "the bad guys" who would explode over a Romney hair comment. I think you're as predictable as the people you rail against...what's the difference?


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Wow, Sabres. Could you generalize anymore there? If you didnt catch the sarcasm or purposeful overstatement in the hair cut comment, well, not much I can help ya with there haha. Also, I specify over and over again "far right" and "religious right". I ask will the right in general come back to the middle, will the more extreme voices in the party be quieted so the gop can come back the party of Reagan and Eisenower, doesnt sound quite quite like saying all Repubs are far right nut jobs. If I had seen a liberal saying Mitt would usher in 1000 years of darkness Id react with equal eye rolling.....but I didnt. I also never lumped you in with anyone. I simply said that republicans dont tend to condemn this kind of attack, they rationalize and minimize....which has happened in this thread, so my statement was in response to a direct observation. Also, wo are you quoting?

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Your previous post was full of generalization, was it not? You talk about Repubs minimizing the ad, which can only come down Cross and me (even though we're not Repubs), so how am I generalizing in my reponse? Nobody else responded in the way you've described above. You just mentioned wanting the right to return to a middle ground a la the party of Reagan. Did you not realize in the ad, or in my first response, that the "1000 years of darkness" was a quote from Reagan? Besides, I really didn't pick up on some literal urgency in the ad, they simply used a quote to help make their point...big deal.

If I really cared to bitch and stomp feet over this kind of stuff as much as you do I'd be on here every few days with lefty propoganda to criticize. I'd be raising hell over the God stuff from the DNC, but I don't because the opposition probably just feels strongly about the separation of church and state (with a few crazies in there I'm sure). You seem to let politics get you so angry that you seem to lash out at people here (whether you intend to or not).


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Let's be honest. '1000 years of darkness' was a stupid line in 1964 when Reagan said it, and it's just as stupid now.


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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
Your previous post was full of generalization, was it not? You talk about Repubs minimizing the ad, which can only come down Cross and me (even though we're not Repubs), so how am I generalizing in my reponse? Nobody else responded in the way you've described above. You just mentioned wanting the right to return to a middle ground a la the party of Reagan. Did you not realize in the ad, or in my first response, that the "1000 years of darkness" was a quote from Reagan? Besides, I really didn't pick up on some literal urgency in the ad, they simply used a quote to help make their point...big deal.

If I really cared to bitch and stomp feet over this kind of stuff as much as you do I'd be on here every few days with lefty propoganda to criticize. I'd be raising hell over the God stuff from the DNC, but I don't because the opposition probably just feels strongly about the separation of church and state (with a few crazies in there I'm sure). You seem to let politics get you so angry that you seem to lash out at people here (whether you intend to or not).


haha....Im not angry at all and I rarely post in here. But you go girl. I was just pointing out how dumb the ad was....and it is. I also am not lashing out at anyone. Not one personal attack. And yes, I realize the quote is from Reagan....does that mean it is less appocolyptic and false than it was in the 80s? Also, when I spoke of Republicans minimizing this kind of thing I wasnt limiting my statement to this tread, I meant reps in general. Not just you.

Point is that any of this kind of scary dooms day shit is retarded, no matter the source. Just seems to be a lot more of it coming from the right in the last five years and I think that is a fair statement.

Also, it is fuckin annoyin typing this on my wifes laptop that is missing keys haha. have to paste in letters.

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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Not quite getting whatever point you're trying to make with that oversized info-graphic there Cross.


Am I the only one watching the DNC?
This thread was about Chuck Norris invoking god/religion as a way to get people to vote...ok, that pic is an example of the exact opposite sentiment.

See all the headlines?
After removing all references to god from the party platform and all references to giving Israel preferential treatment, the DNC took some heat.
So (in what was clearly a very bad move), they forcefully reversed that decision and put it back in.
The delegates in attendance were clearly not in favor of this and the voice vote was obvious, but the party rulers ignored it and added it back to the sounds of boos and hissing.


So on one side you've got a party using biblical doom and gloom to get people to vote.
On the other side you have a party caught, on live TV, literally booing god and Israel.

Both are a bunch of bigoted dumbasses.

...and the RNC has already made a campaign ad using that clip....smart move Dems.
Is that clearer now?

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Booing the inclusion of God and Israel in a political platform is NOT the same as booing God and Israel. It doesn't make them a bunch of bigoted dumbasses, it makes them Americans who believe in separation of church & state.


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Stuuuuuuu wrote:
Booing the inclusion of God and Israel in a political platform is NOT the same as booing God and Israel. It doesn't make them a bunch of bigoted dumbasses, it makes them Americans who believe in separation of church & state.

That's not what I was trying to imply.
These conventions are all about show and unity and ra-ra. The DNC made 2 big mistakes here IMO

1. reversing their decision to remove God and Israel from the platform (which they could have easily explained away as you just did)
2. blatantly ignoring the wishes of their delegates on live TV and forcing them to boo and hiss

It's like they were running off a RNC playbook on how to look bad.
And you know as well as I do how this will play in the media "DNC delegates boo God" ...it's already all over the place, it's not me saying it.

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If the GOP does make that commercial, that will pretty much validate what DP has been saying in this thread.

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Crosscheck wrote:
...it's already all over the place, it's not me saying it.

That's funny because the post right before my first in this thread seems to indicate otherwise.


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It would be no different than when Ron Paul supporters were booing to disrupt the RNC, and they got accused of booing down the Puerto Rican speaker.

That wasn't why they were booing then, and that's not why they booed yesterday. Spin it all you want it that makes you horny.


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Stuuuuuuu wrote:
Crosscheck wrote:
...it's already all over the place, it's not me saying it.

That's funny because the post right before my first in this thread seems to indicate otherwise.

That's funny, because above that there's the picture of the Drudge report from last night that no one understood...then I had to explain...then you say it's me saying it.

we're through the looking glass now ;)

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It would be no different than when Ron Paul supporters were booing to disrupt the RNC, and they got accused of booing down the Puerto Rican speaker.

That wasn't why they were booing then, and that's not why they booed yesterday. Spin it all you want it that makes you horny.


So you're saying they weren't booing the forced inclusion of God and Israel in the platform?
Ok, what were they booing then?

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You guys (Cross & 1980) can try to justify GOP idiocy by saying "both sides do it" all you want. It doesn't change the fact that radical right wing rhetoric is, at this time part of the mainstream in a far bigger way than left wing rhetoric. Paul Ryan made a speech to the RNC that even Fox News called incredibly dishonest. Chuck Norris says re-election will lead to "1000 years of darkness". Rush Limbaugh calls a grad student looking to have the pill covered "a prostitute". Todd Akon... not much needs to be said there.

I don't see both sides doing that shit. I see one. And again, I don't support Obama, but let's be straight here, he isn't as big a liar.


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Oh also, Romney wrote "Obamacare". Nothing like running on a promise to repeal a law that you yourself designed!

If the left could spin half as well as the right, they'd let everybody know ad nauseum that it's actually Romneycare.


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