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Author:  Squanto [ Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:57 pm ]
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Both sides hate CNN because they fact check.

MSNBC on the left, Fox on the right.

NYT/LAT on the left, NY Post / Washington Post on the right.

There's TONS of outlets on both sides of the spectrum. The conservative claim that they're under-represented in the media is hogwash.
Author:  Crosscheck [ Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:10 pm ]
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I'm not claiming that at all, I'm merely countering Stuuuuuu's' claim that the right has undue and unmatched levels of favorable media coverage.
Author:  Stuuuuuuu [ Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:17 pm ]
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Crosscheck wrote:
So what is it when they call it Romneycare?

No one does. That's my point. I've heard that used maybe once on the Daily Show. Yet even NPR calls it "Obamacare". Again, proving my point that the media-filtered version of reality we get is incredibly rightwing.
Author:  Crosscheck [ Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:49 pm ]
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Stuuuuuuu wrote:
No one does.

huh?
I've heard it called Romneycare all the time, almost exclusively by democrats defending the ACA.
A google search for Romneycare brings back 326,000 results.
It's in the wikipedia entry for Mass. health care reform.

Here's HHS secretary Sebelius using it as an example.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ele ... omneycare/
(that story uses both terms Obamacare and Romneycare)

You simply cannot say
Hillarycare = Sexist
Obamacare = Racist
Romneycare = That white dude needs to own his legislation
Author:  CriminallyVu1gar [ Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:48 pm ]
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How the hell is MSNBC biased?
Author:  Stuuuuuuu [ Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:33 pm ]
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Crosscheck wrote:
Stuuuuuuu wrote:
No one does.

huh?
I've heard it called Romneycare all the time, almost exclusively by democrats defending the ACA.

You simply cannot say
Hillarycare = Sexist
Obamacare = Racist
Romneycare = That white dude needs to own his legislation

I bet the media in Mass used/uses it, but the national mainstream media at this point in time just doesn't that I see. Democrats defending the ACA do it. Sure, because it's derogatory, like Hilliarycare and Obamacare. "Care" as a suffix has become like "gate". My point again being that the right has done a better job of getting the mainstream to adopt its spin. You quite often hear Obamacare in the mainstream media, not just by attacking republicans, and you never hear Romneycare unless its from a democrat or someone like me pointing out the double-standard and media bias inherent in using Obamacare.
Author:  Crosscheck [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:17 am ]
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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
How the hell is MSNBC biased?

Chris Mathews and Keith Olbermann were removed from news anchor positions a the network specifically because of their biased reporting.
I'm not sure what kind of evidence you want, but google is your friend.

Even most liberals will agree MSNBC is the Fox News of the left.

Stuuuuuuu wrote:
You quite often hear Obamacare in the mainstream media, not just by attacking republicans, and you never hear Romneycare unless its from a democrat or someone like me pointing out the double-standard and media bias inherent in using Obamacare.

In the clip I posted above, Kathleen Sebelius, not exactly an enemy of the President and someone with intimate involvement in the ACA, called it Obamacare...proudly.

“Republicans may see Romneycare as a scarlet letter, but for us Democrats, Obamacare is a badge of honor.”
Author:  CriminallyVu1gar [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:55 pm ]
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Stuuuuuuu wrote:
Crosscheck wrote:
Stuuuuuuu wrote:
No one does.

huh?
I've heard it called Romneycare all the time, almost exclusively by democrats defending the ACA.

You simply cannot say
Hillarycare = Sexist
Obamacare = Racist
Romneycare = That white dude needs to own his legislation

I bet the media in Mass used/uses it, but the national mainstream media at this point in time just doesn't that I see. Democrats defending the ACA do it. Sure, because it's derogatory, like Hilliarycare and Obamacare. "Care" as a suffix has become like "gate". My point again being that the right has done a better job of getting the mainstream to adopt its spin. You quite often hear Obamacare in the mainstream media, not just by attacking republicans, and you never hear Romneycare unless its from a democrat or someone like me pointing out the double-standard and media bias inherent in using Obamacare.


I don't think its a bias so much as a willingness by the democrats to use it as a source of pride. As you pointed out Romneycare has most often been used by Democrats to point out that Romney has been responsible for some things that go against his base.

Side note, why isn't the spineless lying weiner Romney a Democrat? He'd be a great one.
Author:  Crosscheck [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:51 pm ]
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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Side note, why isn't the spineless lying weiner Romney a Democrat? He'd be a great one.

Shhhh...you're onto the worst kept secret in partisan politics.

Both guys running are centrists.
Author:  CriminallyVu1gar [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:09 pm ]
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TAKE OFF THE ROMNEY MASK JOHN KERRY! WHERE'S THE REAL ROMNEY?
Author:  BlueandYellow [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:46 pm ]
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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Stuuuuuuu wrote:
Crosscheck wrote:
Stuuuuuuu wrote:
No one does.

huh?
I've heard it called Romneycare all the time, almost exclusively by democrats defending the ACA.

You simply cannot say
Hillarycare = Sexist
Obamacare = Racist
Romneycare = That white dude needs to own his legislation

I bet the media in Mass used/uses it, but the national mainstream media at this point in time just doesn't that I see. Democrats defending the ACA do it. Sure, because it's derogatory, like Hilliarycare and Obamacare. "Care" as a suffix has become like "gate". My point again being that the right has done a better job of getting the mainstream to adopt its spin. You quite often hear Obamacare in the mainstream media, not just by attacking republicans, and you never hear Romneycare unless its from a democrat or someone like me pointing out the double-standard and media bias inherent in using Obamacare.


I don't think its a bias so much as a willingness by the democrats to use it as a source of pride. As you pointed out Romneycare has most often been used by Democrats to point out that Romney has been responsible for some things that go against his base.

Side note, why isn't the spineless lying weiner Romney a Democrat? He'd be a great one.


The whole lowering taxes on the rich thing, or the opposing of Gay marriage, stuff like that
Author:  Crosscheck [ Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:24 pm ]
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BlueandYellow wrote:
The whole lowering taxes on the rich thing, or the opposing of Gay marriage, stuff like that


Well Obama extended the Bush tax cuts and until a few months ago was against gay marriage too.
They really both are centrists...I mean Romney got re-elected in Massachusetts of all places.
Author:  BlueandYellow [ Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:29 pm ]
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Crosscheck wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
The whole lowering taxes on the rich thing, or the opposing of Gay marriage, stuff like that


Well Obama extended the Bush tax cuts and until a few months ago was against gay marriage too.
They really both are centrists...I mean Romney got re-elected in Massachusetts of all places.

Obama's policies now I (sort of) agree with. I mean, Romney is a flip flopper too.

This election is basically which pile of shit is a lesser pile of shit.
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