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Jammerz04
 Post subject: Hodgson?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:05 pm 
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How much will he command after this season?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:05 pm 
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525k- 11 million is my estimate.

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He's been solid this season...nothing spectacular, but solid.
I'd say he's worth in the 2.8-3.5 milllion range, so the Sabres will give him 5.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:53 pm 
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He's been solid offensively. Defensively, he's a train-wreck. I worry about that side of his game.

On that same token, I've noticed Ennis has made some strides in his defensive game, so it's not impossible for Hodgson to add that element, as well.

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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
He's been solid offensively. Defensively, he's a train-wreck. I worry about that side of his game.

On that same token, I've noticed Ennis has made some strides in his defensive game, so it's not impossible for Hodgson to add that element, as well.

I don't think he's as bad defensively as he's looked this year. Early on he was on the ice for a lot of goals and looked bad, but he was on the ice with Myers and Leopold, so he had to try to cover up for them as well as play center.


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Stuuuuuuu wrote:
Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
He's been solid offensively. Defensively, he's a train-wreck. I worry about that side of his game.

On that same token, I've noticed Ennis has made some strides in his defensive game, so it's not impossible for Hodgson to add that element, as well.

I don't think he's as bad defensively as he's looked this year. Early on he was on the ice for a lot of goals and looked bad, but he was on the ice with Myers and Leopold, so he had to try to cover up for them as well as play center.


If we're going to go by how he's looked with the Sabres, it's been horrible defensively. He shows no urgency to get back in the play, and coasts. When he's in position, he still seems lost. It wasn't much better in Rochester, either.

Great offensive skill, questionable defensive ability.

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His defensive skill? Not too worried yet, still only his second full year in the league and he's 22. It'll come in time of course. But then again, some of the greatest superstars out there have no defensive game. Sedin's anyone?

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the book on hodgson coming over was he was extremely dependable in his own end. hes a two way forward with excellent offensive skills, and above average in his own zone.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
the book on hodgson coming over was he was extremely dependable in his own end. hes a two way forward with excellent offensive skills, and above average in his own zone.

I see that also. He needs to limit turnovers in our end, but other than that, he's not as bad as people are saying he is.

He's playing center, he's gonna get the most flack for backchecking and getting the puck out.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
His defensive skill? Not too worried yet, still only his second full year in the league and he's 22. It'll come in time of course. But then again, some of the greatest superstars out there have no defensive game. Sedin's anyone?


Their Corsi numbers tell a different story.

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Thanks, now i need to go figure out what the hell 'corsi' numbers are.


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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Thanks, now i need to go figure out what the hell 'corsi' numbers are.


http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2009/10/ ... ons-3-what

In short, stat that relates to puck possession, accounting for shots taken, which includes shots on goal, blocked shots, missed shots, etc (shots that are directed at the net). Positive indicates that the player is on the ice for more shots their team takes than their team allows. Negative, obviously the opposite. The stat is then expressed at a rate over 60 minutes.

Both Sedins are at the top of the league in this stat and their relative Corsis, which is a stat that takes into account the Corsi of the team while the Sedins are off the ice compared to when their on the ice.

Long story short, it's a misconception that the Sedins don't play defense. It also helps that they generate shit tons of offense.

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The Corsi number is also abused and treated as gospel by WAAAAAAAY too many. It's a decent idea, but like any other statistic, by itself it holds little value. Needs context.

Re CoHo, he is a 23 year old kid who is NOT terrible defensively when compared to most players with similar NHL experience.


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Squanto wrote:
The Corsi number is also abused and treated as gospel by WAAAAAAAY too many. It's a decent idea, but like any other statistic, by itself it holds little value. Needs context.

Re CoHo, he is a 23 year old kid who is NOT terrible defensively when compared to most players with similar NHL experience.


I'll give you that. Pairing it with QualComp, Quality of Teammates, as well as zone start percentages helps.

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Squanto wrote:
The Corsi number is also abused and treated as gospel by WAAAAAAAY too many. It's a decent idea, but like any other statistic, by itself it holds little value. Needs context.

Re CoHo, he is a 23 year old kid who is NOT terrible defensively when compared to most players with similar NHL experience.

And we all got to think that this is his second full NHL season too.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Squanto wrote:
The Corsi number is also abused and treated as gospel by WAAAAAAAY too many. It's a decent idea, but like any other statistic, by itself it holds little value. Needs context.

Re CoHo, he is a 23 year old kid who is NOT terrible defensively when compared to most players with similar NHL experience.


I'm with you.

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