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 Post subject: Re: Lindy Fired
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The TSN message boards have Lindy going to Colorado, NY Rangers, Columbus, Edmonton, Toronto, the GM in Toronto, etc. Someone said that some team will fire their current coach just to get Ruff. Popular sentiment appears to be that Regier should have gotten the axe, not Lindy.


That's how I feel. I think Regier is more responsible for the lack of success than Ruff.
Think about the outrage when Ruff wins a cup with his next team.


How so? The reason I ask is that the roster has changed....talent has been injected....moves have been made but still the team flounders. We have a good team on paper and a terrible one on the ice. That makes me believe, and I'm not alone in this, that the fault doesn't lie with Darcy but instead the guy who's job it is to transfer the good team on paper to wins on the ice. It seems like mismanagement when there is such a disparity between high ability and low achievement.

Now, where I am torn is that if you know your coach's style then at what point does fault lie with Darcy for trying to add square pegs to Lindy's round hole system? He got great pieces but not ones that fit into what Ruff was trying to do. That being said, we have had many roster changes and the overall product was one of failure.


The team is not as good on paper as a lot of fans want it to be. I agree with Lebruns take on the team. The D is deep but not good enough and soft and the center position is very weak (especially defensively).

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I don't know how to show the tweets, but Lebrun tweeted:
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We all know how good of a coach Ruff is and was. His time here just got stall and boring. His players looked like they weren't listening to him.

Some of the best coaches in history of all sports get fired from their teams.

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sabretoothpick wrote:
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The TSN message boards have Lindy going to Colorado, NY Rangers, Columbus, Edmonton, Toronto, the GM in Toronto, etc. Someone said that some team will fire their current coach just to get Ruff. Popular sentiment appears to be that Regier should have gotten the axe, not Lindy.


That's how I feel. I think Regier is more responsible for the lack of success than Ruff.
Think about the outrage when Ruff wins a cup with his next team.


How so? The reason I ask is that the roster has changed....talent has been injected....moves have been made but still the team flounders. We have a good team on paper and a terrible one on the ice. That makes me believe, and I'm not alone in this, that the fault doesn't lie with Darcy but instead the guy who's job it is to transfer the good team on paper to wins on the ice. It seems like mismanagement when there is such a disparity between high ability and low achievement.

Now, where I am torn is that if you know your coach's style then at what point does fault lie with Darcy for trying to add square pegs to Lindy's round hole system? He got great pieces but not ones that fit into what Ruff was trying to do. That being said, we have had many roster changes and the overall product was one of failure.


The team is not as good on paper as a lot of fans want it to be. I agree with Lebruns take on the team. The D is deep but not good enough and soft and the center position is very weak (especially defensively).


Regher, Ehrhoff, Myers, all three D men are good. Regher was Calgary's best d man, Ehrhoff was Couver's best offensive D man, Myers is supposed to be an elite D man and has played like one before. Sulzer plays well, Sekera meh, Weber and Brennan haven't ever sucked this bad.

Our D on paper is capable of being elite. It was decent last year. Now all the sudden it blows. Players shouldn't blow for no reason when they haven't before.

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 Post subject: Re: Lindy Fired
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BlueandYellow wrote:
sabretoothpick wrote:
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sabretoothpick wrote:
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The TSN message boards have Lindy going to Colorado, NY Rangers, Columbus, Edmonton, Toronto, the GM in Toronto, etc. Someone said that some team will fire their current coach just to get Ruff. Popular sentiment appears to be that Regier should have gotten the axe, not Lindy.


That's how I feel. I think Regier is more responsible for the lack of success than Ruff.
Think about the outrage when Ruff wins a cup with his next team.


How so? The reason I ask is that the roster has changed....talent has been injected....moves have been made but still the team flounders. We have a good team on paper and a terrible one on the ice. That makes me believe, and I'm not alone in this, that the fault doesn't lie with Darcy but instead the guy who's job it is to transfer the good team on paper to wins on the ice. It seems like mismanagement when there is such a disparity between high ability and low achievement.

Now, where I am torn is that if you know your coach's style then at what point does fault lie with Darcy for trying to add square pegs to Lindy's round hole system? He got great pieces but not ones that fit into what Ruff was trying to do. That being said, we have had many roster changes and the overall product was one of failure.


The team is not as good on paper as a lot of fans want it to be. I agree with Lebruns take on the team. The D is deep but not good enough and soft and the center position is very weak (especially defensively).


Regher, Ehrhoff, Myers, all three D men are good. Regher was Calgary's best d man, Ehrhoff was Couver's best offensive D man, Myers is supposed to be an elite D man and has played like one before. Sulzer plays well, Sekera meh, Weber and Brennan haven't ever sucked this bad.

Our D on paper is capable of being elite. It was decent last year. Now all the sudden it blows. Players shouldn't blow for no reason when they haven't before.


I have to disagree. Regehr is over the hill and besides Weber we have no hitters and toughness on D. They are quite soft. We have elite offensively talented D-men, but their defensive skills aren't elite. Sekera, Ehrhoff, Sulzer and Leopold aren't elite in their own end, even on paper.
Sulzer should be a 7th D-men at best. I don't think he would be on any top-team D-roster.
Myers has certainly all the tools but he hasn't shown it since his calder year. I think it's wrong to blame the coach for all the stupid mistakes they made.

EDIT: TL,DR: I just think it's too easy to blame the coach and give the players and Darcy an excuse for the poor play and lack of success.

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You do realize Myers and Leopold both have 20 hits, and Regher only has 22?

Weber has 38.

But hits don't mean the are playing good D at all, that normally means you're chasing for a puck. I'd rather see higher blocked shots and takeaways with our D-men than more hits.

And Sekera and Sulzer have been our best defensmen on both ends of the ice. Maybe they wouldn't be a top pair guys, but they sure aren't making the mistakes others have made.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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 Post subject: Re: Lindy Fired
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sabretoothpick wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
sabretoothpick wrote:
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sabretoothpick wrote:
BagBoy wrote:
The TSN message boards have Lindy going to Colorado, NY Rangers, Columbus, Edmonton, Toronto, the GM in Toronto, etc. Someone said that some team will fire their current coach just to get Ruff. Popular sentiment appears to be that Regier should have gotten the axe, not Lindy.


That's how I feel. I think Regier is more responsible for the lack of success than Ruff.
Think about the outrage when Ruff wins a cup with his next team.


How so? The reason I ask is that the roster has changed....talent has been injected....moves have been made but still the team flounders. We have a good team on paper and a terrible one on the ice. That makes me believe, and I'm not alone in this, that the fault doesn't lie with Darcy but instead the guy who's job it is to transfer the good team on paper to wins on the ice. It seems like mismanagement when there is such a disparity between high ability and low achievement.

Now, where I am torn is that if you know your coach's style then at what point does fault lie with Darcy for trying to add square pegs to Lindy's round hole system? He got great pieces but not ones that fit into what Ruff was trying to do. That being said, we have had many roster changes and the overall product was one of failure.


The team is not as good on paper as a lot of fans want it to be. I agree with Lebruns take on the team. The D is deep but not good enough and soft and the center position is very weak (especially defensively).


Regher, Ehrhoff, Myers, all three D men are good. Regher was Calgary's best d man, Ehrhoff was Couver's best offensive D man, Myers is supposed to be an elite D man and has played like one before. Sulzer plays well, Sekera meh, Weber and Brennan haven't ever sucked this bad.

Our D on paper is capable of being elite. It was decent last year. Now all the sudden it blows. Players shouldn't blow for no reason when they haven't before.


I have to disagree. Regehr is over the hill and besides Weber we have no hitters and toughness on D. They are quite soft. We have elite offensively talented D-men, but their defensive skills aren't elite. Sekera, Ehrhoff, Sulzer and Leopold aren't elite in their own end, even on paper.
Sulzer should be a 7th D-men at best. I don't think he would be on any top-team D-roster.
Myers has certainly all the tools but he hasn't shown it since his calder year. I think it's wrong to blame the coach for all the stupid mistakes they made.

EDIT: TL,DR: I just think it's too easy to blame the coach and give the players and Darcy an excuse for the poor play and lack of success.


Yeah Regehr was vastly overrated IMO. Hope he leaves this offseason. He was definately not calgarys best defenseman. I disagree with you about Sulzer he's been awesome this season don't know why u don't see that? I believe we should call up McNabb he was awesome last year way better to have then Leopold. It's give us some physicality back there. Other than Weber no one really has a physical aspect to there game on the blue line. Hopefully this firing will spark some trades coming our way.

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I hope it's not one of the guys that have coached under Ruff and would just keep his tired system going. We need fire in here that will light a match under the asses of the players that Ruff has lulled into a coma.

Well, if a coach under Ruff would take over, I'd assume it'd be temporary.


I worded that wrong. It was assumptive that someone within the organization would take over, I just didn't want to see the same complacency and same tired system.

I'm, actually pretty pleased with the choice to bring up Rolston.

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Yeah Regehr was vastly overrated IMO. Hope he leaves this offseason. He was definately not calgarys best defenseman. I disagree with you about Sulzer he's been awesome this season don't know why u don't see that? I believe we should call up McNabb he was awesome last year way better to have then Leopold. It's give us some physicality back there. Other than Weber no one really has a physical aspect to there game on the blue line. Hopefully this firing will spark some trades coming our way.



The good thing about having Rolston come up is the influence he may have over bringing players like McNabb up with him

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Yeah Regehr was vastly overrated IMO. Hope he leaves this offseason. He was definately not calgarys best defenseman. I disagree with you about Sulzer he's been awesome this season don't know why u don't see that? I believe we should call up McNabb he was awesome last year way better to have then Leopold. It's give us some physicality back there. Other than Weber no one really has a physical aspect to there game on the blue line. Hopefully this firing will spark some trades coming our way.



The good thing about having Rolston come up is the influence he may have over bringing players like McNabb up with him


I heard/read that McNabb sucked this year in Rochester

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Yeah Regehr was vastly overrated IMO. Hope he leaves this offseason. He was definately not calgarys best defenseman. I disagree with you about Sulzer he's been awesome this season don't know why u don't see that? I believe we should call up McNabb he was awesome last year way better to have then Leopold. It's give us some physicality back there. Other than Weber no one really has a physical aspect to there game on the blue line. Hopefully this firing will spark some trades coming our way.


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We all know how good of a coach Ruff is and was. His time here just got stall and boring. His players looked like they weren't listening to him.

Some of the best coaches in history of all sports get fired from their teams.

Very true. And it was obvious that the team needed a fresh set of eyes

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Yeah Regehr was vastly overrated IMO. Hope he leaves this offseason. He was definately not calgarys best defenseman. I disagree with you about Sulzer he's been awesome this season don't know why u don't see that? I believe we should call up McNabb he was awesome last year way better to have then Leopold. It's give us some physicality back there. Other than Weber no one really has a physical aspect to there game on the blue line. Hopefully this firing will spark some trades coming our way.



The good thing about having Rolston come up is the influence he may have over bringing players like McNabb up with him


I heard/read that McNabb sucked this year in Rochester


He's had his struggles as any young player would. He's made some bad turnovers, pinched at the wrong times, and been burned, but it's just growing pains. With that being said he's also made some good plays and shows signs that he'll be a good player. I wouldn't call him up yet.

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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :evil: :evil: :evil:

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Yeah Regehr was vastly overrated IMO. Hope he leaves this offseason. He was definately not calgarys best defenseman. I disagree with you about Sulzer he's been awesome this season don't know why u don't see that? I believe we should call up McNabb he was awesome last year way better to have then Leopold. It's give us some physicality back there. Other than Weber no one really has a physical aspect to there game on the blue line. Hopefully this firing will spark some trades coming our way.


Sulzer is a train wreck in his own end most nights.


Thank god, I'm not alone. I want him as a 7th D-man at best.

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Like most NHL teams, the Sabres make sure their farm team plays the same style as the big club so Rolston is not promising a new blue print.

“There’s not going to be any major changes,” he said. “The players know what needs to be done. The responsibility falls on [the coaches] to make sure they get the message.”

Officially, Rolston is the interim head coach through the rest of this season. He is going to work hard to make that a permanent position.

“Yeah, without question,” he said, “that’s certainly the goal.”

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sabretoothpick wrote:
Squanto wrote:
Jammerz04 wrote:
Yeah Regehr was vastly overrated IMO. Hope he leaves this offseason. He was definately not calgarys best defenseman. I disagree with you about Sulzer he's been awesome this season don't know why u don't see that? I believe we should call up McNabb he was awesome last year way better to have then Leopold. It's give us some physicality back there. Other than Weber no one really has a physical aspect to there game on the blue line. Hopefully this firing will spark some trades coming our way.


Sulzer is a train wreck in his own end most nights.


Thank god, I'm not alone. I want him as a 7th D-man at best.

It's his skating. The guy gets visibly nervous when he has to make his turn, and skate backwards. He usually flips around at about the red line after skating to full speed, and can't make a play until the face-off circle. I'm utterly shocked so many people don't notice this, and if any players watch film on him, he's an easy target because of it. It severely limits how he can play his gap and puck pressure. He does however have the smarts, it's just a shame his feet aren't cooperating. I wouldn't necessarily call him a #7, and I'm ok with him getting 5-6 minutes. We should have grabbed Ben Lovejoy. He can at least skate, and still gets pucks to the net. Then again, we should have got Winnick instead of Hecht, too. Oh Darcy!

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/new-coach-rolston-offers-blunt-assessment-of-sabres/article8923492/

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Like most NHL teams, the Sabres make sure their farm team plays the same style as the big club so Rolston is not promising a new blue print.

“There’s not going to be any major changes,” he said. “The players know what needs to be done. The responsibility falls on [the coaches] to make sure they get the message.”

Officially, Rolston is the interim head coach through the rest of this season. He is going to work hard to make that a permanent position.

“Yeah, without question,” he said, “that’s certainly the goal.”

This is reassuring. lol


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Yeah Regehr was vastly overrated IMO. Hope he leaves this offseason. He was definately not calgarys best defenseman. I disagree with you about Sulzer he's been awesome this season don't know why u don't see that? I believe we should call up McNabb he was awesome last year way better to have then Leopold. It's give us some physicality back there. Other than Weber no one really has a physical aspect to there game on the blue line. Hopefully this firing will spark some trades coming our way.


Sulzer is a train wreck in his own end most nights.

That +4 is pretty hard to ignore.

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Jammerz04 wrote:
Yeah Regehr was vastly overrated IMO. Hope he leaves this offseason. He was definately not calgarys best defenseman. I disagree with you about Sulzer he's been awesome this season don't know why u don't see that? I believe we should call up McNabb he was awesome last year way better to have then Leopold. It's give us some physicality back there. Other than Weber no one really has a physical aspect to there game on the blue line. Hopefully this firing will spark some trades coming our way.


Sulzer is a train wreck in his own end most nights.

That +4 is pretty hard to ignore.

Haha, the old +/- argument. Ya got me.


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