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I'm actually pretty thrilled we double dipped at defense. I've been saying for a while that this team needs a legit franchise defenseman to build around. Our prospect pool is loaded with guys whose ceiling is a #3 or #4 defenseman, and that's good and all, but we need "that" guy. I've given up hope Myers is going to be it.

We've let teams do whatever they want in front of the net for a while and these 2 guys seem like exactly what we need (admittedly I only read scouting reports and have never actually watched either play).

I'm glad you aren't the GM.

Hey everybody, We're giving up on a 6'8" 230 pound Defensemen that is only 23, has only 4 years of NHL experience, and plays one of the hardest positions to learn in all of hockey!!!!

You don't learn to play defense in one or two years normally.


No, but it does take a decent hockey IQ to play the position, and I don't think Myers really has that. He has height. That's really all he has going for him. He still struggles to gain weight. I don't want to say I've given up on him, but this franchise's penchant for holding onto their own talent until it's too late has been so frustrating.

Myers makes more good plays then he does bad plays. If you're going to argue his point totals or the beginning of his year this year, then please go back and watch later games where he was by far one of the better D-men on the team. Struggles to gain weight? He gained almost 30 pounds after his first year in the league, so how is that struggling to gain weight?

And to everyone who wanted us to draft Fucale. Why? We have Hackett, whom is already closer to the being NHL ready then Fucale would be at this point. Ullmark is playing against grown ass men in the SEL and posted incredible numbers this year and will continue to play for them for two more years. And what about Makorov, the undrafted goalie played in the WHL and had a 37-17-5 record posting a 2.62 GAA and a .919 sv% and won 18 straight games too. Then we also have Miller and Enroth who are the one-two punch right now. There was no reason in drafting a goalie when we have 7 total goalies in the system. Three who have real huge potential.


I think with Myers we're looking for positives because we want to, but I didn't see this point of the season where he just turned it around. He did play with Ehrhoff towards the end of the year, which definitely helped him out, but he's still not that go to guy. He easily gets caught out of position and loses his man behind the play. He's always trying to carry the puck out of the zone, which always leads to him losing it at some point, or simply over-skating it. For the money he is making, I expect him to be one of the best in the league, and he isn't even close. As for his weight, he's listed at 227 lb. He was drafted around 210-215, so in four year's he's gained only about 12-15 lb, so yeah. I'd say he still struggles to gain weight. I'm not arguing his point totals. I could care less about that when he's supposed to be defensively responsible. His puck possession is downright terrible. There's so much about Myers' game that you could nitpick about. I guess after 16 years of this shit, I simply can't be a Positive Paul about anything.

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And to everyone who wanted us to draft Fucale. Why? We have Hackett, whom is already closer to the being NHL ready then Fucale would be at this point. Ullmark is playing against grown ass men in the SEL and posted incredible numbers this year and will continue to play for them for two more years. And what about Makorov, the undrafted goalie played in the WHL and had a 37-17-5 record posting a 2.62 GAA and a .919 sv% and won 18 straight games too. Then we also have Miller and Enroth who are the one-two punch right now. There was no reason in drafting a goalie when we have 7 total goalies in the system. Three who have real huge potential.

Here’s why.
Leggio is a UFA. Miller will be gone soon, one way or the other.
That leaves Hackett and Enroth in the NHL for the near future. Whether either one of them is a #1 NHL goalie remains to be seen. I like Ullmark and Makarov, too, but it looks like they will be the only viable prospects in our system (and that’s IF Ullmark is allowed/wants to leave the SEL). We’re not talking about this scenario cropping up in a few years here. We are talking about the minute Miller is gone, and let’s face it, there’s a good chance that happens this summer. That means NOW.
If Enroth or Hackett can’t handle the NHL, then Ullmark or Makarov has to come up, and they aren’t ready yet. As an organization, we are not deep in goal, and the clock is ticking. You will note that Darcy did draft a goalie later in the draft.
Even if we were solid in goal, we still should have taken Fucale, because he was easily the best player left in the draft at 35. There would have been no harm in developing him, and then trading him, if there was no room for him in Buffalo once he was ready for the NHL.

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And to everyone who wanted us to draft Fucale. Why? We have Hackett, whom is already closer to the being NHL ready then Fucale would be at this point. Ullmark is playing against grown ass men in the SEL and posted incredible numbers this year and will continue to play for them for two more years. And what about Makorov, the undrafted goalie played in the WHL and had a 37-17-5 record posting a 2.62 GAA and a .919 sv% and won 18 straight games too. Then we also have Miller and Enroth who are the one-two punch right now. There was no reason in drafting a goalie when we have 7 total goalies in the system. Three who have real huge potential.

Here’s why.
Leggio is a UFA. Miller will be gone soon, one way or the other.
That leaves Hackett and Enroth in the NHL for the near future. Whether either one of them is a #1 NHL goalie remains to be seen. I like Ullmark and Makarov, too, but it looks like they will be the only viable prospects in our system (and that’s IF Ullmark is allowed/wants to leave the SEL). We’re not talking about this scenario cropping up in a few years here. We are talking about the minute Miller is gone, and let’s face it, there’s a good chance that happens this summer. That means NOW.
If Enroth or Hackett can’t handle the NHL, then Ullmark or Makarov has to come up, and they aren’t ready yet. As an organization, we are not deep in goal, and the clock is ticking. You will note that Darcy did draft a goalie later in the draft.
Even if we were solid in goal, we still should have taken Fucale, because he was easily the best player left in the draft at 35. There would have been no harm in developing him, and then trading him, if there was no room for him in Buffalo once he was ready for the NHL.


Here's my take on this:

Buffalo has never really been a team to take a goalie all that high in the draft. They've had remarkable success in goalies that have been taken in the later rounds (Miller, Hasek, etc.) Sure, they've drafted guys like Barasso and Biron in the first round, but the truth of the matter is that the Sabres have had great success growing their own goalies thanks to Jim Corsi. If there's one thing I can't criticize about the Sabres organization is that they know how to find a goalie. I trust them with at least that much.

Plus, I'm hearing if Miller is traded, Leggio will be getting a call. The only reason the Sabres are letting him hit the market is because Leggio wants a chance in the NHL, but can't get that with Miller still here.

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I know I've been one to say Enroth doesn't have what it takes to be a starting goalie *yet*, but I do believe he could share a work load with another goalie. Hackett, if he doesn't completely shit the bed, should be alright.

And there's always free agency...

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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
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TheBlackDahliaMurder wrote:
I'm actually pretty thrilled we double dipped at defense. I've been saying for a while that this team needs a legit franchise defenseman to build around. Our prospect pool is loaded with guys whose ceiling is a #3 or #4 defenseman, and that's good and all, but we need "that" guy. I've given up hope Myers is going to be it.

We've let teams do whatever they want in front of the net for a while and these 2 guys seem like exactly what we need (admittedly I only read scouting reports and have never actually watched either play).

I'm glad you aren't the GM.

Hey everybody, We're giving up on a 6'8" 230 pound Defensemen that is only 23, has only 4 years of NHL experience, and plays one of the hardest positions to learn in all of hockey!!!!

You don't learn to play defense in one or two years normally.


No, but it does take a decent hockey IQ to play the position, and I don't think Myers really has that. He has height. That's really all he has going for him. He still struggles to gain weight. I don't want to say I've given up on him, but this franchise's penchant for holding onto their own talent until it's too late has been so frustrating.

Myers makes more good plays then he does bad plays. If you're going to argue his point totals or the beginning of his year this year, then please go back and watch later games where he was by far one of the better D-men on the team. Struggles to gain weight? He gained almost 30 pounds after his first year in the league, so how is that struggling to gain weight?

And to everyone who wanted us to draft Fucale. Why? We have Hackett, whom is already closer to the being NHL ready then Fucale would be at this point. Ullmark is playing against grown ass men in the SEL and posted incredible numbers this year and will continue to play for them for two more years. And what about Makorov, the undrafted goalie played in the WHL and had a 37-17-5 record posting a 2.62 GAA and a .919 sv% and won 18 straight games too. Then we also have Miller and Enroth who are the one-two punch right now. There was no reason in drafting a goalie when we have 7 total goalies in the system. Three who have real huge potential.


I think with Myers we're looking for positives because we want to, but I didn't see this point of the season where he just turned it around. He did play with Ehrhoff towards the end of the year, which definitely helped him out, but he's still not that go to guy. He easily gets caught out of position and loses his man behind the play. He's always trying to carry the puck out of the zone, which always leads to him losing it at some point, or simply over-skating it. For the money he is making, I expect him to be one of the best in the league, and he isn't even close. As for his weight, he's listed at 227 lb. He was drafted around 210-215, so in four year's he's gained only about 12-15 lb, so yeah. I'd say he still struggles to gain weight. I'm not arguing his point totals. I could care less about that when he's supposed to be defensively responsible. His puck possession is downright terrible. There's so much about Myers' game that you could nitpick about. I guess after 16 years of this shit, I simply can't be a Positive Paul about anything.

What Myers have you been watching? He is t his best when he carries that puck out of the zone. He doesn't over skate the puck when carrying it up. And with the weight thing, he's not Chara, he does not play a hugely physical game. He honestly doesn't need to play it to be successful. That could very easily been a reason he has struggled, Ruff wanted physicality, Myers is more of a positionally sound guy instead of that big hitter.

And no, I didn't look for the positives in his game. I actually watched him closer than most and found his game to be improved later in the year, everyone wanted to blame Myers if we lost certain games, yet he was sometimes the best or second best defensemen in those games at the end.

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And to everyone who wanted us to draft Fucale. Why? We have Hackett, whom is already closer to the being NHL ready then Fucale would be at this point. Ullmark is playing against grown ass men in the SEL and posted incredible numbers this year and will continue to play for them for two more years. And what about Makorov, the undrafted goalie played in the WHL and had a 37-17-5 record posting a 2.62 GAA and a .919 sv% and won 18 straight games too. Then we also have Miller and Enroth who are the one-two punch right now. There was no reason in drafting a goalie when we have 7 total goalies in the system. Three who have real huge potential.

Here’s why.
Leggio is a UFA. Miller will be gone soon, one way or the other.
That leaves Hackett and Enroth in the NHL for the near future. Whether either one of them is a #1 NHL goalie remains to be seen. I like Ullmark and Makarov, too, but it looks like they will be the only viable prospects in our system (and that’s IF Ullmark is allowed/wants to leave the SEL). We’re not talking about this scenario cropping up in a few years here. We are talking about the minute Miller is gone, and let’s face it, there’s a good chance that happens this summer. That means NOW.
If Enroth or Hackett can’t handle the NHL, then Ullmark or Makarov has to come up, and they aren’t ready yet. As an organization, we are not deep in goal, and the clock is ticking. You will note that Darcy did draft a goalie later in the draft.
Even if we were solid in goal, we still should have taken Fucale, because he was easily the best player left in the draft at 35. There would have been no harm in developing him, and then trading him, if there was no room for him in Buffalo once he was ready for the NHL.

exactly right. You can never have too many goalies unless it's a Luongo/Schneider situation where you're paying more than one big bucks and there are two legit starters.


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Stuuuuuuu wrote:
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And to everyone who wanted us to draft Fucale. Why? We have Hackett, whom is already closer to the being NHL ready then Fucale would be at this point. Ullmark is playing against grown ass men in the SEL and posted incredible numbers this year and will continue to play for them for two more years. And what about Makorov, the undrafted goalie played in the WHL and had a 37-17-5 record posting a 2.62 GAA and a .919 sv% and won 18 straight games too. Then we also have Miller and Enroth who are the one-two punch right now. There was no reason in drafting a goalie when we have 7 total goalies in the system. Three who have real huge potential.

Here’s why.
Leggio is a UFA. Miller will be gone soon, one way or the other.
That leaves Hackett and Enroth in the NHL for the near future. Whether either one of them is a #1 NHL goalie remains to be seen. I like Ullmark and Makarov, too, but it looks like they will be the only viable prospects in our system (and that’s IF Ullmark is allowed/wants to leave the SEL). We’re not talking about this scenario cropping up in a few years here. We are talking about the minute Miller is gone, and let’s face it, there’s a good chance that happens this summer. That means NOW.
If Enroth or Hackett can’t handle the NHL, then Ullmark or Makarov has to come up, and they aren’t ready yet. As an organization, we are not deep in goal, and the clock is ticking. You will note that Darcy did draft a goalie later in the draft.
Even if we were solid in goal, we still should have taken Fucale, because he was easily the best player left in the draft at 35. There would have been no harm in developing him, and then trading him, if there was no room for him in Buffalo once he was ready for the NHL.

exactly right. You can never have too many goalies unless it's a Luongo/Schneider situation where you're paying more than one big bucks and there are two legit starters.

We don't have that situation though like Vancouver did.

My main point is why draft Fucale when we pretty much have named out future in Hackett with the trade to get him?

I also don't see us trading Vanek or Miller this year, or at least until the trade deadline. If we didn't trade them during the draft I see us clearly going into this season with them on this team.

If you have a goalie pretty much NHL ready in a year or two, why draft another goalie that won't be ready until after you would have already needed him.

We have plenty of goalies in the system right now, and three have real deal potential to be NHL goalies. Even Enroth has that potential to be a starter, so that makes 4 out of 7 of our goalies capable of NHL duties, actually, 5 of them since Miller is one of 7 also.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Stuuuuuuu wrote:
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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
And to everyone who wanted us to draft Fucale. Why? We have Hackett, whom is already closer to the being NHL ready then Fucale would be at this point. Ullmark is playing against grown ass men in the SEL and posted incredible numbers this year and will continue to play for them for two more years. And what about Makorov, the undrafted goalie played in the WHL and had a 37-17-5 record posting a 2.62 GAA and a .919 sv% and won 18 straight games too. Then we also have Miller and Enroth who are the one-two punch right now. There was no reason in drafting a goalie when we have 7 total goalies in the system. Three who have real huge potential.

Here’s why.
Leggio is a UFA. Miller will be gone soon, one way or the other.
That leaves Hackett and Enroth in the NHL for the near future. Whether either one of them is a #1 NHL goalie remains to be seen. I like Ullmark and Makarov, too, but it looks like they will be the only viable prospects in our system (and that’s IF Ullmark is allowed/wants to leave the SEL). We’re not talking about this scenario cropping up in a few years here. We are talking about the minute Miller is gone, and let’s face it, there’s a good chance that happens this summer. That means NOW.
If Enroth or Hackett can’t handle the NHL, then Ullmark or Makarov has to come up, and they aren’t ready yet. As an organization, we are not deep in goal, and the clock is ticking. You will note that Darcy did draft a goalie later in the draft.
Even if we were solid in goal, we still should have taken Fucale, because he was easily the best player left in the draft at 35. There would have been no harm in developing him, and then trading him, if there was no room for him in Buffalo once he was ready for the NHL.

exactly right. You can never have too many goalies unless it's a Luongo/Schneider situation where you're paying more than one big bucks and there are two legit starters.

We don't have that situation though like Vancouver did.

My main point is why draft Fucale when we pretty much have named out future in Hackett with the trade to get him?

I also don't see us trading Vanek or Miller this year, or at least until the trade deadline. If we didn't trade them during the draft I see us clearly going into this season with them on this team.

If you have a goalie pretty much NHL ready in a year or two, why draft another goalie that won't be ready until after you would have already needed him.

We have plenty of goalies in the system right now, and three have real deal potential to be NHL goalies. Even Enroth has that potential to be a starter, so that makes 4 out of 7 of our goalies capable of NHL duties, actually, 5 of them since Miller is one of 7 also.


Miller, Enroth, Leggio (if re-signed), Hackett, Knapp, Makarov, Lieuwen, Peterson

That's the depth-chart order I see. The only way I see Leggio re-signed is if Miller gets traded before Friday.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
TheBlackDahliaMurder wrote:
I'm actually pretty thrilled we double dipped at defense. I've been saying for a while that this team needs a legit franchise defenseman to build around. Our prospect pool is loaded with guys whose ceiling is a #3 or #4 defenseman, and that's good and all, but we need "that" guy. I've given up hope Myers is going to be it.

We've let teams do whatever they want in front of the net for a while and these 2 guys seem like exactly what we need (admittedly I only read scouting reports and have never actually watched either play).

I'm glad you aren't the GM.

Hey everybody, We're giving up on a 6'8" 230 pound Defensemen that is only 23, has only 4 years of NHL experience, and plays one of the hardest positions to learn in all of hockey!!!!

You don't learn to play defense in one or two years normally.


No, but it does take a decent hockey IQ to play the position, and I don't think Myers really has that. He has height. That's really all he has going for him. He still struggles to gain weight. I don't want to say I've given up on him, but this franchise's penchant for holding onto their own talent until it's too late has been so frustrating.

Myers makes more good plays then he does bad plays. If you're going to argue his point totals or the beginning of his year this year, then please go back and watch later games where he was by far one of the better D-men on the team. Struggles to gain weight? He gained almost 30 pounds after his first year in the league, so how is that struggling to gain weight?

And to everyone who wanted us to draft Fucale. Why? We have Hackett, whom is already closer to the being NHL ready then Fucale would be at this point. Ullmark is playing against grown ass men in the SEL and posted incredible numbers this year and will continue to play for them for two more years. And what about Makorov, the undrafted goalie played in the WHL and had a 37-17-5 record posting a 2.62 GAA and a .919 sv% and won 18 straight games too. Then we also have Miller and Enroth who are the one-two punch right now. There was no reason in drafting a goalie when we have 7 total goalies in the system. Three who have real huge potential.


I think with Myers we're looking for positives because we want to, but I didn't see this point of the season where he just turned it around. He did play with Ehrhoff towards the end of the year, which definitely helped him out, but he's still not that go to guy. He easily gets caught out of position and loses his man behind the play. He's always trying to carry the puck out of the zone, which always leads to him losing it at some point, or simply over-skating it. For the money he is making, I expect him to be one of the best in the league, and he isn't even close. As for his weight, he's listed at 227 lb. He was drafted around 210-215, so in four year's he's gained only about 12-15 lb, so yeah. I'd say he still struggles to gain weight. I'm not arguing his point totals. I could care less about that when he's supposed to be defensively responsible. His puck possession is downright terrible. There's so much about Myers' game that you could nitpick about. I guess after 16 years of this shit, I simply can't be a Positive Paul about anything.

What Myers have you been watching? He is t his best when he carries that puck out of the zone. He doesn't over skate the puck when carrying it up. And with the weight thing, he's not Chara, he does not play a hugely physical game. He honestly doesn't need to play it to be successful. That could very easily been a reason he has struggled, Ruff wanted physicality, Myers is more of a positionally sound guy instead of that big hitter.

And no, I didn't look for the positives in his game. I actually watched him closer than most and found his game to be improved later in the year, everyone wanted to blame Myers if we lost certain games, yet he was sometimes the best or second best defensemen in those games at the end.


Again. I mentioned that he played with Ehrhoff at the end of the year. That makes any defensman better because Ehrhoff is a beast.

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If you have a goalie pretty much NHL ready in a year or two, why draft another goalie that won't be ready until after you would have already needed him.

We have plenty of goalies in the system right now, and three have real deal potential to be NHL goalies. Even Enroth has that potential to be a starter, so that makes 4 out of 7 of our goalies capable of NHL duties, actually, 5 of them since Miller is one of 7 also.

You're missing the point that Bagboy made that Buffalo DID DRAFT a goalie this year, even with your 7 goalies in the system. So if they were going to anyway, why not draft the highest ranked one with your third pick in the draft when he's sitting right there for you, best player available on all experts lists?

Goalies take so long to develop and have such different amounts of success at the different levels that there's nothing wrong with having more for a little insurance. None of the goalies in the system have really proven anything about their NHL ability except Miller and maybe Enroth. So all those five other guys could turn into a big fat zero. Plus there could be an injury to say Hackett after he gets the job in a hypothetical situation in a few years where Miller signs with another team. You can't count on any of those other guys to pan out, so why not keep your options open? I don't think any organization can ever be "set" with their goaltender situation when you have to plan four or five years down the road.


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If you have a goalie pretty much NHL ready in a year or two, why draft another goalie that won't be ready until after you would have already needed him.

We have plenty of goalies in the system right now, and three have real deal potential to be NHL goalies. Even Enroth has that potential to be a starter, so that makes 4 out of 7 of our goalies capable of NHL duties, actually, 5 of them since Miller is one of 7 also.

You're missing the point that Bagboy made that Buffalo DID DRAFT a goalie this year, even with your 7 goalies in the system. So if they were going to anyway, why not draft the highest ranked one with your third pick in the draft when he's sitting right there for you, best player available on all experts lists?

Goalies take so long to develop and have such different amounts of success at the different levels that there's nothing wrong with having more for a little insurance. None of the goalies in the system have really proven anything about their NHL ability except Miller and maybe Enroth. So all those five other guys could turn into a big fat zero. Plus there could be an injury to say Hackett after he gets the job in a hypothetical situation in a few years where Miller signs with another team. You can't count on any of those other guys to pan out, so why not keep your options open? I don't think any organization can ever be "set" with their goaltender situation when you have to plan four or five years down the road.


I have an easy answer for this one: The Sabres didn't view their biggest need as goalie. Like I said before, the Sabres have done a great job at finding great goalies in the later rounds. Why buck the trend when you have something that works?

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I can get that fanatic, but I just think after the first round (where maybe you get a player/players that will be on the big club relatively soon), why not just go for the best available player? You've said in this thread before that players after the 2nd round are a bit of a gamble, so by that logic, why try to draft by positional need? Take the best player available and if there's no room for that player when he's NHL ready later on, trade him since his value will be a lot higher than it was in the draft anyway. (Of course I'd probably draft the best available player even in the first round if I were GM. I just think it makes more sense long term).


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:17 pm 
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I can get that fanatic, but I just think after the first round (where maybe you get a player/players that will be on the big club relatively soon), why not just go for the best available player? You've said in this thread before that players after the 2nd round are a bit of a gamble, so by that logic, why try to draft by positional need? Take the best player available and if there's no room for that player when he's NHL ready later on, trade him since his value will be a lot higher than it was in the draft anyway. (Of course I'd probably draft the best available player even in the first round if I were GM. I just think it makes more sense long term).


Which, again, depends on how your franchise values goaltending.

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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
Stuuuuuuu wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
If you have a goalie pretty much NHL ready in a year or two, why draft another goalie that won't be ready until after you would have already needed him.

We have plenty of goalies in the system right now, and three have real deal potential to be NHL goalies. Even Enroth has that potential to be a starter, so that makes 4 out of 7 of our goalies capable of NHL duties, actually, 5 of them since Miller is one of 7 also.

You're missing the point that Bagboy made that Buffalo DID DRAFT a goalie this year, even with your 7 goalies in the system. So if they were going to anyway, why not draft the highest ranked one with your third pick in the draft when he's sitting right there for you, best player available on all experts lists?

Goalies take so long to develop and have such different amounts of success at the different levels that there's nothing wrong with having more for a little insurance. None of the goalies in the system have really proven anything about their NHL ability except Miller and maybe Enroth. So all those five other guys could turn into a big fat zero. Plus there could be an injury to say Hackett after he gets the job in a hypothetical situation in a few years where Miller signs with another team. You can't count on any of those other guys to pan out, so why not keep your options open? I don't think any organization can ever be "set" with their goaltender situation when you have to plan four or five years down the road.


I have an easy answer for this one: The Sabres didn't view their biggest need as goalie. Like I said before, the Sabres have done a great job at finding great goalies in the later rounds. Why buck the trend when you have something that works?

That's pretty much exactly what I've been saying. You all bitched about not drafting Fucale when we have so much depth at the position.

Any drafted player could turn into a bust, even our two first picks this year or two first rounders last year.

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