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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:08 pm 
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I have been hearing now that since Hjalmarsson is signed that Sharp will be on the block now. I'm sure I'm not the only one that wants Patrick Sharp in a Sabres uniform. I say throw them a 1st and a prospect and get this done.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:24 pm 
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Someone on another forums suggested trading Stafford, a 1st, and a 3rd for Sharp and Campbell. Aside from the retarded length of Soupy's deal, it'd put the Sabres over the cap by $600K. People need to crunch the numbers. Jesus.

But honestly, if Darcy could get Sharp (which is slim cuz Sharp is now a hot commodity again), that'd give the team a top-six forward, a defensive center, and an offensive d-man. I'd call this offseason a rousing success.

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To get Sharp, it's going to take a heck of a lot more than a 1st and a prospect, unless that prospect is named Tyler Ennis

This trade is going to require 1st this year, 1st next year, 2nd at some point, and at least 1 prospect named either Gerbe, or Gagnani

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No it's not, IMO. No one is going to over-pay for Patrick Sharp with MORE than Burke over-paid for Kessel, especially not Darcy. That proposal is lunacy.

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Well so is suggesting that a guy that scored 20 points in the playoffs last year is on the trading block. Especially with Huet just sitting there that can be kicked to the minors with Crawford sitting underneath him in the AHL; who has already proven he's a serviceable back up.

You take the 5.6M of Huets off the books, and they are 5.7M under the cap, with 6 roster spots to fill. Several prospects on very manageable contracts.

They're not forced to move sharp by any means, they could easily use those guys on ELCs and sign Niemi to a short term mid level contract.

Chicago isn't forced to do anything at this point; given that they just bury Huet in the minors.

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Of course Huet could get demoted, burying his contract in the minors. But they'd still need to move one or both of Sharp and Campbell to get the required cap space to fill in all the empty spots.

And Niemi chose to go to arbitration. He clearly thinks he's worth more than Chicago does, and if he signs elsewhere, the Hawks are fucked. He signs in Chicago, and they're even more cap-locked.

Sharp's $3.9M and Campbell's $7.1M are both definitely up for grabs if someone throws the right package at Chicago. But no one is going to give up two 1st's, a 2nd, and a prospect for either of them. Maybe for both of them and a 4th round prospect, too. If Soupy said he'd be OK with a trade to the Islanders, I can see Snow finagling Sharp and Campbell out of Chicago.

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If anyone takes Campbell's contract off Chicago's hands, they should be fired instantly.


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Squanto wrote:
If anyone takes Campbell's contract off Chicago's hands, they should be fired instantly.

Garth Snow IS that much of an idiot.

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mechaphil wrote:
Someone on another forums suggested trading Stafford, a 1st, and a 3rd for Sharp and Campbell. Aside from the retarded length of Soupy's deal, it'd put the Sabres over the cap by $600K. People need to crunch the numbers. Jesus.

But honestly, if Darcy could get Sharp (which is slim cuz Sharp is now a hot commodity again), that'd give the team a top-six forward, a defensive center, and an offensive d-man. I'd call this offseason a rousing success.


I want Sharp in the worst possible way. No to Campbell and his outrageous contract.


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SabresBillsFan wrote:
I want Sharp in the worst possible way. No to Campbell and his outrageous contract.


It's highly unlikely that you're going to see him here. It's questionable if he even gets moved at all, and we can be pretty sure that the Sabres don't have enough of a worthwhile trade package to offer should he become available.

A couple draft picks and Stafford isn't going to cut it.


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In order, the Blackhawks will:
1) Demote Huet. Either someone retarded grabs him and takes him completely off their hands, or his salary is buried in the AHL and no longer counts against the cap.
2) Try to trade Campbell and his ridiculous contract.
3) Lastly, try to move Sharp because he'll get the best return and is most likely to get moved.

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Squanto wrote:
SabresBillsFan wrote:
I want Sharp in the worst possible way. No to Campbell and his outrageous contract.


It's highly unlikely that you're going to see him here. It's questionable if he even gets moved at all, and we can be pretty sure that the Sabres don't have enough of a worthwhile trade package to offer should he become available.

A couple draft picks and Stafford isn't going to cut it.


I know we would probably never see Sharp here but he is exactly what the sabres need.


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mechaphil wrote:
In order, the Blackhawks will:
1) Demote Huet. Either someone retarded grabs him and takes him completely off their hands, or his salary is buried in the AHL and no longer counts against the cap.


Biggest problem with the current CBA right there. No point in having a cap if the big markets can just stash salary.

They can also hope that Huet doesn't take the demotion well and doesn't report. Then they don't have to pay him shit.


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Squanto wrote:
mechaphil wrote:
In order, the Blackhawks will:
1) Demote Huet. Either someone retarded grabs him and takes him completely off their hands, or his salary is buried in the AHL and no longer counts against the cap.


Biggest problem with the current CBA right there. No point in having a cap if the big markets can just stash salary.

They can also hope that Huet doesn't take the demotion well and doesn't report. Then they don't have to pay him shit.

Bingo on both points.

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Like Phil said, Sharp will not be put on the block unless everything else possible falls through. Niemi will have to get a big arb deal that Chicago agrees to, no other stupid GM trades for Campbell, they somehow can't stash away Huet, and then and only then will Sharp be out there.

If Sharp is put out there Darcy will have to out bid around 15-20 other teams with the best package of what Chicago will want/need - great prospects on ELCs. That means Ennis and Adam/Kassian/1st rd pick. That would still be fair and worth it IMO, but again, that offer will have to be better than at least 15 other teams that will be in the running.

We can dream, but there's no use in dreaming about Sharp for at least a couple weeks.


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Oh actually, there's four possible steps:
1) Huet's demotion or claiming off of waivers
2) Campbell gets traded away
3) Dave Bolland and his $3.375M per gets traded away
4) Sharp gets moved

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1st this year, 3rd next year, Stafford, and Gerbe


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