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| Author: | gr8daygo [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | The serious trade, acquisition, whos available thread |
So We all agree that something needs to be done... and Im not the sharpest when it comes to contracts, NHL talent, etc... so, honestly, who would or could be available currently... My real question, when we grabbed Drury and Brier all those years ago, what was there current status with their respective teams? And who are the players out there that may be like them today... players that maybe down a little with their current team, but would flourish in a Ruff's system... So, Ill even start... We all agree we need some help on D... Kaberle would help, I believe, but Burke is a dolt and wants a small ransom for him... so that won't work... next... |
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| Author: | X-pensfan [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The serious trade, acquisition, whos available thread |
Aim for the top. Get Geno Malkin here. |
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| Author: | Skyline_BNR34 [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The serious trade, acquisition, whos available thread |
I would not deal with any defensemen trades as we are so stacked on the blueline it's funny, and I'm glad we are. Hell, we got Morrisonn, Weber, Butler, Sekera, Leopold, Myers, Montador, and Rivet right now. |
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| Author: | gr8daygo [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The serious trade, acquisition, whos available thread |
X-pensfan wrote: Aim for the top. Get Geno Malkin here. Believe me, I live in Pitt... Ive seen Geno play plenty... I ABSOLUTELY love the big man... but what would it really take? The Pens certainly have the depth at C... but I fear it would cost to much, but i would love to see him in blue and gold... |
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| Author: | gr8daygo [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The serious trade, acquisition, whos available thread |
Skyline_BNR34 wrote: I would not deal with any defensemen trades as we are so stacked on the blueline it's funny, and I'm glad we are. Hell, we got Morrisonn, Weber, Butler, Sekera, Leopold, Myers, Montador, and Rivet right now. ok, so lets not worry about bringing in another D man right now... but we need something to spark this team.... |
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| Author: | slesh [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The serious trade, acquisition, whos available thread |
Lets spend the next couple of days making a list of talent per position, that the Sabres can feasibly target and go from there. |
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| Author: | gr8daygo [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The serious trade, acquisition, whos available thread |
slesh wrote: Lets spend the next couple of days making a list of talent per position, that the Sabres can feasibly target and go from there. Give me some criteria... I can think of plenty of players i like (Backus/Melkin)... but I don't know what makes a player available... and what would make a fair deal... |
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| Author: | X-pensfan [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The serious trade, acquisition, whos available thread |
gr8daygo wrote: X-pensfan wrote: Aim for the top. Get Geno Malkin here. Believe me, I live in Pitt... Ive seen Geno play plenty... I ABSOLUTELY love the big man... but what would it really take? The Pens certainly have the depth at C... but I fear it would cost to much, but i would love to see him in blue and gold... A lot. Vanek+Kassian+Ennis+a couple of draft picks. Maybe a little bit less than that. He's only like 22 or 23 still. It's not like you are dumping the entire future for Yashin. He's going to be an elite NHL player for a long, long time. |
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| Author: | gr8daygo [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The serious trade, acquisition, whos available thread |
X-pensfan wrote: gr8daygo wrote: X-pensfan wrote: Aim for the top. Get Geno Malkin here. Believe me, I live in Pitt... Ive seen Geno play plenty... I ABSOLUTELY love the big man... but what would it really take? The Pens certainly have the depth at C... but I fear it would cost to much, but i would love to see him in blue and gold... A lot. Vanek+Kassian+Ennis+a couple of draft picks. Maybe a little bit less than that. He's only like 22 or 23 still. It's not like you are dumping the entire future for Yashin. He's going to be an elite NHL player for a long, long time. What is pittsburgh in most need of? C, RW, LW, D? Probably a winger to keep up with Sid? |
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| Author: | slesh [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The serious trade, acquisition, whos available thread |
gr8daygo wrote: slesh wrote: Lets spend the next couple of days making a list of talent per position, that the Sabres can feasibly target and go from there. Give me some criteria... I can think of plenty of players i like (Backus/Melkin)... but I don't know what makes a player available... and what would make a fair deal... Lets first look at Buffalo's needs. Can we agree the up and comers are the following? Myers - D Sekera - D Weber - D Ennis - LW Kassian - RW Adam - C Enroth - G If we can agree these players will be on the Sabres in the next 2 seasons, we can go from there. Now, lets look at "keeper" players. I am down to Vanek and Pommers (if he recovers from his injury) That leaves me an awful lot to wheel and deal with. Do you agree? |
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| Author: | gr8daygo [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The serious trade, acquisition, whos available thread |
slesh wrote: gr8daygo wrote: slesh wrote: Lets spend the next couple of days making a list of talent per position, that the Sabres can feasibly target and go from there. Give me some criteria... I can think of plenty of players i like (Backus/Melkin)... but I don't know what makes a player available... and what would make a fair deal... Lets first look at Buffalo's needs. Can we agree the up and comers are the following? Myers - D Sekera - D Weber - D Ennis - LW Kassian - RW Adam - C Enroth - G If we can agree these players will be on the Sabres in the next 2 seasons, we can go from there. Now, lets look at "keeper" players. I am down to Vanek and Pommers (if he recovers from his injury) That leaves me an awful lot to wheel and deal with. Do you agree? ok... I can agree with that.. lets look at this and see what we have... http://nhlnumbers.com/teams/BUF?year=2011 |
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| Author: | Skyline_BNR34 [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The serious trade, acquisition, whos available thread |
Aim for Malkin. I'm down for sending them whoever they want, outside of Ennis, Myers, and Miller. I say we somehow get Malkin, we instantly put Ennis with him too, and Pominville. So my trade would be: To Pitt: Vanek Stafford Gerbe 2nd To Buffalo: Malkin Sends them their first line LW, and with Stafford playing decent, 7 points in 11 games he fills in nicely on the Right side in the second line role, and Gerbe could probably be a maniac with them and Staal or even Crosby. So we now have a Ennis Malkin Pominville line Hecht Connolly Roy line Unless we move Connolly to Wing and put Roy centering it. Or move Connolly to another team, we would need to bring up a guy from the AHL at least. |
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| Author: | gr8daygo [ Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The serious trade, acquisition, whos available thread |
Vanek - keep - signed through 13/14 Pommer - keep (if healthy) - signed through 13/14 Timmy - im a homer, but i think its time, UFA 11/12 Roy - keep - UFA 13/14 - might be tradable, but he is a top 2 C Hecht - keep - UFA 12/13 - key 2 way player, can't toss everyone Goose - like as a 3/4 C - top face off guy - UFA 12/13 Staff - he can be moved Grier - he can be moved Neids - he can be moved Kaleta - I still like the home town kid...RFA 12/13 Ennis - keep... he's a top 6 player... RFA 12/13 Gerbe - keep ... I like what he brings, but is size an issue with Roy, Ennis, Gerbe ... RFA 11/12 McCormick - keep, I like him on the 3rd 4th line ... UFA 11/12 Rivet ... he can be moved Leopold ... keep, I like him so far, UFA 13/14 Morrisonn ... keep, i like him so far, UFA 12/13 Monte ... I like him so far... UFA 11/12 Meyers ... MUST KEEP ANS RESIGN WHEN WE CAN!!! Sekera... can go either way Butler... Can go either way Weber... I would like to keep Miller... NEED TO KEEP!!! need to put the right talent around him.... |
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| Author: | slesh [ Sat Oct 30, 2010 8:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The serious trade, acquisition, whos available thread |
Here is my short list: Tradable: Roy Connolly Stafford Gaustad Hecht Vanek Pomminville Sekera Butler Weber Untradable due to age combined with contract length: Rivet Grier Niedermayer (These guys won't be resigned next season, IMHO) Defensively: Leopold and Morrisonn will be staying obviously and rightfully so. Myers will be there. They will most likely resign Montador. That leaves 2 defensive positions to fill betweend Sekera, Weber and Butler, and right now, to me, Sekera has the inside track on one of them. Offensively: Its a train wreck. No transition game what so ever. My thoughts have been constant on this. Kassian on RW, Ennis on LW, Adam as a C. We will need another Center as many have pointed out. My Bobby Ryan comments not withstanding. Lets focus on a Center. Who is on the short list of young, stud, centers that can be targeted and why. |
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| Author: | X-pensfan [ Sat Oct 30, 2010 8:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The serious trade, acquisition, whos available thread |
gr8daygo wrote: X-pensfan wrote: gr8daygo wrote: X-pensfan wrote: Aim for the top. Get Geno Malkin here. Believe me, I live in Pitt... Ive seen Geno play plenty... I ABSOLUTELY love the big man... but what would it really take? The Pens certainly have the depth at C... but I fear it would cost to much, but i would love to see him in blue and gold... A lot. Vanek+Kassian+Ennis+a couple of draft picks. Maybe a little bit less than that. He's only like 22 or 23 still. It's not like you are dumping the entire future for Yashin. He's going to be an elite NHL player for a long, long time. What is pittsburgh in most need of? C, RW, LW, D? Probably a winger to keep up with Sid? The Penguins need a skilled guy in front of the net. A righty shot scoring threat. And a legitimate all-star caliber winger who actually prefers to play wing. Vanek, Vanek, and Vanek. And, the Penguins are absolute shit when it comes to drafting and developing NHL skilled forwards, and the Sabres suck at losing all of their dignity and tanking for top 2 overall picks. So, the Sabres get a top 2 overall pick in Malkin, and the Penguins get their future of skilled forwards already successfully drafted for them. |
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| Author: | gr8daygo [ Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The serious trade, acquisition, whos available thread |
X-pensfan wrote: gr8daygo wrote: X-pensfan wrote: gr8daygo wrote: X-pensfan wrote: Aim for the top. Get Geno Malkin here. Believe me, I live in Pitt... Ive seen Geno play plenty... I ABSOLUTELY love the big man... but what would it really take? The Pens certainly have the depth at C... but I fear it would cost to much, but i would love to see him in blue and gold... A lot. Vanek+Kassian+Ennis+a couple of draft picks. Maybe a little bit less than that. He's only like 22 or 23 still. It's not like you are dumping the entire future for Yashin. He's going to be an elite NHL player for a long, long time. What is pittsburgh in most need of? C, RW, LW, D? Probably a winger to keep up with Sid? The Penguins need a skilled guy in front of the net. A righty shot scoring threat. And a legitimate all-star caliber winger who actually prefers to play wing. Vanek, Vanek, and Vanek. And, the Penguins are absolute shit when it comes to drafting and developing NHL skilled forwards, and the Sabres suck at losing all of their dignity and tanking for top 2 overall picks. So, the Sabres get a top 2 overall pick in Malkin, and the Penguins get their future of skilled forwards already successfully drafted for them. Malkin does fit the bill.... signed through 13/14.... he is an amazing talent. Will the Pens be able to keep Sid and Geno together? Will it be better for the Pens to have a winger vs. C... And I think Geno will absolutely thrive with his own team |
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| Author: | gr8daygo [ Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The serious trade, acquisition, whos available thread |
Backes is a UFA after this season... I think... Any thoughts on him? Will ST Louis be able to resign him? Would he fit the bill? I liked him in the olympics, but haven't seen him much in the NHL.. |
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| Author: | slesh [ Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The serious trade, acquisition, whos available thread |
X-pensfan wrote: gr8daygo wrote: X-pensfan wrote: gr8daygo wrote: X-pensfan wrote: Aim for the top. Get Geno Malkin here. Believe me, I live in Pitt... Ive seen Geno play plenty... I ABSOLUTELY love the big man... but what would it really take? The Pens certainly have the depth at C... but I fear it would cost to much, but i would love to see him in blue and gold... A lot. Vanek+Kassian+Ennis+a couple of draft picks. Maybe a little bit less than that. He's only like 22 or 23 still. It's not like you are dumping the entire future for Yashin. He's going to be an elite NHL player for a long, long time. What is pittsburgh in most need of? C, RW, LW, D? Probably a winger to keep up with Sid? The Penguins need a skilled guy in front of the net. A righty shot scoring threat. And a legitimate all-star caliber winger who actually prefers to play wing. Vanek, Vanek, and Vanek. And, the Penguins are absolute shit when it comes to drafting and developing NHL skilled forwards, and the Sabres suck at losing all of their dignity and tanking for top 2 overall picks. So, the Sabres get a top 2 overall pick in Malkin, and the Penguins get their future of skilled forwards already successfully drafted for them. I am seriously liking this thought process Xpens. Let me ask you, given the savings Pitt would get along with the Vanek contract, would they be open to adding from each side. Say a 2 player per team swap? The reason I ask is, if a Vanek for Malkin swap is interesting, if Buffalo added another winger, say Stafford and a center to replace Malkin, say Connolly, along with Vanek, would Pittsburg entertain giving up lets say, Alex Goligoski? A good D partner for Myers? Or is there other talent on the team that we can make a multi player trade for? Just curious. |
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| Author: | Skyline_BNR34 [ Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The serious trade, acquisition, whos available thread |
Basically, I'd tell them I want Malkin from your team and I am giving you Vanek for him, anyone else on this team outside of Myers who would you want? That is what I would do. I would so do a 3 for one trade for Malkin. Vanek a pick, and possibly another winger. The only thing it leaves us with is a plethora of Centers, Ennis, Roy, Connolly, Malkin, Gaustad, Niedermayer. I know Ennis hasn't been playing Center at all, but it's his natural position. But yes, I'd do anything to get Malkin. a 6'4 200 pound monster of a scorer, and would thrive under his own team. |
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| Author: | Rutledge222 [ Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The serious trade, acquisition, whos available thread |
Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Basically, I'd tell them I want Malkin from your team and I am giving you Vanek for him, anyone else on this team outside of Myers who would you want? That is what I would do. I would so do a 3 for one trade for Malkin. Vanek a pick, and possibly another winger. The only thing it leaves us with is a plethora of Centers, Ennis, Roy, Connolly, Malkin, Gaustad, Niedermayer. I know Ennis hasn't been playing Center at all, but it's his natural position. But yes, I'd do anything to get Malkin. a 6'4 200 pound monster of a scorer, and would thrive under his own team. you would be willing to part with Miller as well? |
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