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Sabresfansince1980
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This is just another way to toss roster ideas around. Here's the line-up with parenthesis around the players I want replaced. Copy and paste with your own ideas if you want, with a new player that's possible to acquire in the next five months.

Vanek-Roy-Stafford
Ennis-(Connolly/Richards)-(Pominville/???)
(Hecht/???)-(Niedermayer/Adam)-(Grier/Kassian)
McCormick-Gaustad-Kaleta
Gerbe-Foligno or Byron or Mancari

(Sekera/Ehrhoff)-Myers
Leopold-Montador
Morrisonn-Weber
(Butler/Greene)-(Rivet/Wisniewski)

Miller-(Lalime/Enroth)

At this point I really don't care what they get in return for Hecht, Connolly, Pominville, or Rivet. That's almost 17 mil in cap space for 32 goals and 54 assists. 17 mil in cap room is worth it even if they only get a few 2nd rd picks for those players.


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I have no idea obviously who we should acquire, but Connolly, Grier, Rivet, Butler, Hecht and Neidermayer all need to be gone (original ideas I know). I'm not so sure we should give up on Sekera though.

I would love to see Adam and Kassian on the team next year. We need their size, and especially Kassian's grit.

EDIT: I know there won't be one available to us, but if we can somehow get a legitimate #1 center, and move Roy to the 2nd line, our team would become much, much better.

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I would throw the farm at Richards and see what happens. There are no other answers at the center position. If the other big contract/little production players are dealt for any trash at all, there would still be room to acquire a few good players and fill the other holes with prospects that at least have some amount of promise.


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I don't see why Dallas wouldn't resign him before he hits free agency. Although, I have no idea of their cap situation or anything like that. But yes, if we have a chance at him, we have to throw money at him.

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I think there are four categories of holes:

Players past their prime, simply ineffective
Grier
Niedermayer
Rivet
Lalime

Players that just aren't good enough
Connolly
Gerbe
Butler

Players with bad contracts
Pominville
Hecht
Gaustad

Players who are good enough to return, but inconsistent enough to let walk depending upon the cost
Stafford
Sekera


That is a lot of Roster dead weight and we don't have enough talent/good contracts to be able to hide it.

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gr8daygo
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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
I think there are four categories of holes:

Players past their prime, simply ineffective
Grier
Niedermayer
Rivet
Lalime

Players that just aren't good enough
Connolly
Gerbe
Butler

Players with bad contracts
Pominville
Hecht
Gaustad

Players who are good enough to return, but inconsistent enough to let walk depending upon the cost
Stafford
Sekera


That is a lot of Roster dead weight and we don't have enough talent/good contracts to be able to hide it.



Yep, we are going to have to find some talent, buy some people out, possibly, but im not sure if it can be all done in one trade deadline / off season.... Im not sure if by simply adding ZAK and Adam, coupled with free agency, you can fix all the holes.

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TheBlackDahliaMurder wrote:
I don't see why Dallas wouldn't resign him before he hits free agency. Although, I have no idea of their cap situation or anything like that. But yes, if we have a chance at him, we have to throw money at him.


Dallas is in a bit of a money situation right now, trying to find a new owner and everything. Spending money they don't have on Richards is a bad idea.

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Start Shopping.... Centers are first up...


Centers – 2011 NHL Unrestricted Free Agents
Player Team Age 2010-11 Cap # Notes

Brad Richards Dallas Stars 30 $7,800,000

Michael Nylander Washington Capitals 37 $4,875,000

Tim Connolly Buffalo Sabres 29 $4,500,000

Jason Arnott New Jersey Devils 35 $4,500,000

Michal Handzus Los Angeles Kings 33 $4,000,000

Tomas Fleischmann Colorado Avalanche 26 $2,600,000

Todd White New York Rangers 35 $2,375,000

Vaclav Prospal New York Rangers 35 $2,100,000

Brooks Laich Washington Capitals 27 $2,067,000

Chad LaRose Carolina Hurricanes 28 $1,700,000

Chris Higgins Florida Panthers 27 $1,600,000

Kris Draper Detroit Red Wings 39 $1,583,000

Rob Niedermayer Buffalo Sabres 35 $1,250,000

Mike Modano Detroit Red Wings 40 $1,250,000

John Madden Minnesota Wild 37 $1,250,000

Tomas Kopecky Chicago Blackhawks 28 $1,200,000

Marty Reasoner Florida Panthers 33 $1,150,000

Todd Marchant Anaheim Ducks 36 $1,125,000

Vernon Fiddler Phoenix Coyotes 30 $1,100,000

Petr Prucha Phoenix Coyotes 27 $1,100,000

Patrick Rissmiller Atlanta Thrashers 31 $1,000,000

Brian Sutherby Dallas Stars 28 $812,000

Marcel Goc Nashville Predators 26 $775,000

Scott Nichol San Jose Sharks 35 $760,000

Jerred Smithson Nashville Predators 31 $738,000

Chris Thorburn Atlanta Thrashers 27 $660,000

Ryan Carter Anaheim Ducks 26 $625,000

Andrew Murray Columbus Blue Jackets 28 $625,000

Ryan Shannon Ottawa Senators 27 $625,000

Jamie Lundmark Nashville Predators 29 $600,000

Zenon Konopka New York Islanders 29 $600,000

Jason Krog Atlanta Thrashers 34 $550,000

Rick Rypien Vancouver Canucks 26 $550,000

Cody McCormick Buffalo Sabres 27 $500,000

Craig Conroy Calgary Flames 38 $500,000

Alexandre Giroux Edmonton Oilers 29 $500,000

Andrew Ebbett Phoenix Coyotes 27 $500,000

Ryan Craig Pittsburgh Penguins 28 $500,000

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Need a left wing?... shop away... note, it looks like Drew Miller is a UFA LW... Could we use Ryan's brother?

Left Wingers – 2011 NHL Unrestricted Free Agents
Player Team Age 2010-11 Cap # Notes

Simon Gagne Tampa Bay Lightning 30 $5,250,000

Cory Stillman Florida Panthers 36 $3,533,000

Marco Sturm LA Kings 31 $3,500,000

Alexei Ponikarovsky Los Angeles Kings 30 $3,200,000

Alexander Frolov New York Rangers 28 $3,000,000

Erik Cole Carolina Hurricanes 31 $2,900,000

Sergei Samsonov Carolina Hurricanes 31 $2,533,000

Antti Miettinen Minnesota Wild 29 $2,333,000

Andrew Brunette Minnesota Wild 36 $2,333,000

Ethan Moreau Columbus Blue Jackets 34 $2,000,000

Nikolai Zherdev Philadelphia Flyers 25 $2,000,000

Jussi Jokinen Carolina Hurricanes 27 $1,700,000

Alex Tanguay Calgary Flames 30 $1,700,000

Donald Brashear Atlanta Thrashers 38 $1,400,000

Pascal Dupuis Pittsburgh Penguins 31 $1,400,000

Jarkko Ruutu Ottawa Senators 34 $1,300,000

Curtis Glencross Calgary Flames 27 $1,200,000

Aaron Voros Anaheim Ducks 28 $1,000,000

Ryan Jones Edmonton Oilers 26 $975,000

Ben Eager San Jose Sharks 26 $965,000

Ville Leino Philadelphia Flyers 26 $800,000

Darcy Hordichuk Vancouver Canucks 29 $775,000

Brad Winchester St. Louis Blues 29 $700,000

Eric Boulton Atlanta Thrashers 33 $650,000

Drew Miller Detroit Red Wings 26 $650,000

Jon Sim New York Islanders 32 $650,000

Tanner Glass Vancouver Canucks 26 $625,000

David Koci Colorado Avalanche 29 $575,000

Jeff Taffe Chicago Blackhawks 29 $550,000

Chris Durno Tampa Bay Lightning 29 $550,000

Steve MacIntyre Edmonton Oilers 29 $500,000

Mathieu Darche Montreal Canadiens 33 $500,000

Jeff Tambellini Vancouver Canucks 26 $500,000

Sean Bergenheim Tampa Bay Lightning 26 TBA

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Here are your Right Wingers....

Right Wingers – 2011 NHL Unrestricted Free Agents
Player Team Age 2010-11 Cap # Notes
Alexei Kovalev Ottawa Senators 37 $5,000,000

Teemu Selanne Anaheim Ducks 40 $4,500,000

Michael Ryder Boston Bruins 30 $4,000,000

Steve Sullivan Nashville Predators 35 $3,750,000

Justin Williams Los Angeles Kings 28 $3,500,000

Milan Hejduk Colorado Avalanche 34 $3,000,000

Radim Vrbata Phoenix Coyotes 29 $3,000,000

Jamie Langenbrunner Dallas Stars 34 $2,800,000

Mike Knuble Washington Capitals 37 $2,800,000

Chris Clark Columbus Blue Jackets 34 $2,633,000

Chuck Kobasew Minnesota Wild 28 $2,333,000

Scottie Upshall Phoenix Coyotes 26 $2,250,000

Mark Recchi Boston Bruins 42 $1,950,000

Radek Dvorak Florida Panthers 33 $1,700,000

Mike Grier Buffalo Sabres 35 $1,500,000

Joel Ward Nashville Predators 29 $1,500,000

Matt Bradley Washington Capitals 32 $1,000,000

Michael Rupp Pittsburgh Penguins 30 $825,000

Boyd Gordon Washington Capitals 26 $800,000

Patrick Eaves Detroit Red Wings 26 $750,000

Eric Godard Pittsburgh Penguins 30 $750,000

Fredrik Sjostrom Toronto Maple Leafs 27 $750,000

Jonas Andersson Nashville Predators 29 $675,000

Jamal Mayers San Jose Sharks 35 $600,000

Cam Janssen St. Louis Blues 26 $600,000

Adam Hall Tampa Bay Lightning 29 $600,000

Wade Belak Nashville Predators 33 $575,000

Brandon Segal Dallas Stars 26 $550,000

Craig Adams Pittsburgh Penguins 33 $550,000

Pat Dwyer Carolina Hurricanes 27 $500,000

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That first list is not just centers. After Richards there isn't one UFA center worth a damn for the long term. FWIW, the wingers worth consideration are Fleischmann, Laich, Larose, and Higgins. That's not a whole lot of options.


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Here are your D-Men... although I think we are fairly set on the back-end, Id like to see another Vet brought in to help settle Myres ... who would work?

Defenseman – 2011 NHL Unrestricted Free Agents
Player Team Age 2010-11 Cap # Notes
Ed Jovanovski Phoenix Coyotes 34 $6,500,000

Nicklas Lidstrom Detroit Red Wings 40 $6,200,000

Bryan McCabe Florida Panthers 35 $5,750,000

Andrei Markov Montreal Canadiens 31 $5,750,000

Roman Hamrlik Montreal Canadiens 36 $5,500,000

Scott Hannan Colorado Avalanche 31 $4,500,000

Eric Brewer St. Louis Blues 31 $4,250,000

Tomas Kaberle Toronto Maple Leafs 32 $4,250,000

Joni Pitkanen Carolina Hurricanes 26 $4,000,000

Kevin Bieksa Vancouver Canucks 29 $3,750,000

Craig Rivet Buffalo Sabres 35 $3,500,000

Chris Phillips Ottawa Senators 32 $3,500,000

Sami Salo Vancouver Canucks 35 $3,500,000

James Wisniewski Montreal Canadiens 26 $3,250,000

Christian Ehrhoff Vancouver Canucks 27 $3,100,000

Ian White Carolina Hurricanes 26 $3,000,000

Tom Preissing Colorado Avalanche 31 $2,750,000

Steve Staios Calgary Flames 36 $2,700,000

Niclas Wallin San Jose Sharks 35 $2,500,000

Brent Sopel Atlanta Thrashers 33 $2,333,000

Jim Vandermeer Edmonton Oilers 30 $2,300,000

Hal Gill Montreal Canadiens 35 $2,250,000

Jan Hejda Columbus Blue Jackets 32 $2,000,000

Kent Huskins San Jose Sharks 31 $1,700,000

Mark Stuart Boston Bruins 26 $1,675,000

Shane O’Brien Nashville Predators 26 $1,600,000

Steve Montador Buffalo Sabres 30 $1,550,000

Radek Martinek New York Islanders 33 $1,500,000

Anton Babchuk Carolina Hurricanes 26 $1,400,000

Karlis Skrastins Dallas Stars 35 $1,375,000

Adam Foote Colorado Avalanche 38 $1,250,000

John Erskine Washington Capitals 30 $1,250,000

Steve Eminger New York Rangers 26 $1,125,000

Andrew Alberts Vancouver Canucks 28 $1,050,000

Brad Lukowich Dallas Stars 33 $1,000,000

Milan Jurcina New York Islanders 27 $1,000,000

Sean O’Donnell Philadelphia Flyers 38 $1,000,000

Jonathan Ericsson Detroit Red Wings 26 $900,000

Ruslan Salei Detroit Red Wings 35 $750,000

Andy Greene New Jersey Devils 27 $738,000

Jason Strudwick Edmonton Oilers 34 $725,000

Adam Pardy Calgary Flames 26 $700,000

David Hale Ottawa Senators 29 $675,000

Jeff Woywitka Dallas Stars 26 $650,000

Alexander Sulzer Nashville Predators 26 $650,000

Jordan Hendry Chicago Blackhawks 26 $600,000

Peter Harrold Los Angeles Kings 27 $583,000

Nathan Paetsch Florida Panthers 27 $525,000

Jay Harrison Carolina Hurricanes 27 $500,000

Staffan Kronwall Calgary Flames 27 $500,000

Derek Meech Detroit Red Wings 26 $500,000

Clay Wilson Florida Panthers 27 $500,000

Rob Davison New Jersey Devils 30 $500,000

Jay Leach San Jose Sharks 30 $500,000

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Goaltenders – 2011 NHL Unrestricted Free Agents
ANND last... we certainly need a back up for Miller... preferably someone who can take 20 - 30 games... yes I like Enroth, but is he ready to sit for long stretches or do we let the kid develop a bit more... any thoughts...

Player Team Age 2010-11 Cap # Notes
Jean-Sebastien Giguere Toronto Maple Leafs 33 $6,000,000

Tomas Vokoun Florida Panthers 33 $5,700,000

Ilya Bryzgalov Phoenix Coyotes 30 $4,250,000

Pascal Leclaire Ottawa Senators 27 $3,800,000

Dwayne Roloson Tampa Bay Lightning 40 $2,500,000

Mike Smith Tampa Bay Lightning 28 $2,200,000

Craig Anderson Colorado Avalanche 29 $1,812,000

Johan Hedberg New Jersey Devils 37 $1,500,000

Chris Osgood Detroit Red Wings 37 $1,417,000

Marty Turco Chicago Blackhawks 34 $1,300,000

Ty Conklin St. Louis Blues 34 $1,300,000

Peter Budaj Colorado Avalanche 27 $1,250,000

Mathieu Garon Columbus Blue Jackets 32 $1,200,000

Josh Harding Minnesota Wild 26 $1,200,000

Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers Edmonton Oilers 26 $1,050,000

Alex Auld Montreal Canadiens 29 $1,000,000

Jason Labarbera Phoenix Coyotes 30 $1,000,000

Brian Boucher Philadelphia Flyers 33 $925,000

Erik Ersberg Los Angeles Kings 28 $750,000

Jimmy Howard Detroit Red Wings 26 $717,000

Patrick Lalime Buffalo Sabres 35 $600,000

Curtis McElhinney Anaheim Ducks 27 $535,000

Henrik Karlsson Calgary Flames 26 $500,000

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craig anderson and christian erhoff plz

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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
That first list is not just centers. After Richards there isn't one UFA center worth a damn for the long term. FWIW, the wingers worth consideration are Fleischmann, Laich, Larose, and Higgins. That's not a whole lot of options.


http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2010/06 ... ee-agents/

got the info from the above link... just did a copy paste... cleaned it up a bit...

I gotta agree FA C... is crap, but Id say we are EXTREMELY weak down the middle... Adam maybe able to pull 3rd line C .... Goose/Cody could fight for 4th line... Roy i still see as a Second line guy... so we need that top line C...

Richards
Weiss - boarder line 1/2 C
Malkin - if healthy, when healthy, would/could be a gamble, but one I'd take...

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
craig anderson and christian erhoff plz



Only issue i see with Craig, you are pushing the back-up goalie position from what, $600k to about $2 million... would Craig want a raise? what is he going to command on the open market? and with so many other needs, you'd have to be a little careful where you spend your cash...


BUT, we need a goalie that can play 20-30... and keep the $6 million dollar man sharp, so we may need to spend the $2 mill to do that... I have no problem with the thinking...

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That's why you shouldn't copy and paste a wall of text without double checking the info. Look up half the guys on that center list and you'll see they play LW.

Agree about Anderson. Enroth has done well enough that we don't need to consider any other back-up.


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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
craig anderson and christian erhoff plz



As for Erhoff... I like the idea... under 30... 6'2" 200 10 G/26A +12... could be a replacement for Monte... how would he pair up with Myers? Would you consider him a top 4 D man?

Myers - Erhoff
ShaMo - Weber
Leopold - Sekera

Butler ...

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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
That's why you shouldn't copy and paste a wall of text without double checking the info. Look up half the guys on that center list and you'll see they play LW.

Agree about Anderson. Enroth has done well enough that we don't need to consider any other back-up.


But are they guys who could play C and are just playing LW? I know that probably doesn't happen much... but sorry... just trying to provide some info to get some discussion going...

Teams playing like crap, may as well talk about fixing it... lol

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:57 pm 
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Either way they aren't legit #1 centers regardless of their natural position. As for Ehrhoff, he isn't a top four d-man...he's a TOP d-man and great PP guy. Of course that's playing with the Sedin point machines, but he's still a great d-man and a guy I've mentioned before with Andy Greene and James Wisniewski.


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