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For a 1st round pick that may or may not work out, I'd still take a Penner or Hemsky that you know your getting a 50+ point per year guy, and an already established NHL player. I see no reason to not atleast make the call and see.



Rather couple the first with whatever to track down a C... we need C... maybe two... so why not try and package that first rounder to grab the biggest position of need... no matter who you put on the wings, if you don't have the pivot to pull it all together its just not going to work...

The new execs say they want to build it like the Pens... well the Pens are built down the middle... from Sid...Malkin...Staal...Talbot... MAF.... simply solid down the center of the ice... I know that is one hell of an act to follow and they had the right picks at the right time to pull it off...

With that said, if Im building this team...and Im giving up the first this year... Im finding at least one C... maybe 2... and we may have to wait until after the season to find that trade, because other than richards, the F/A market for C is weak...

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Just my thoughts on how to build it....

People forget the Pens had top 5 picks for how many years straight. Build thru the draft. Get rid of Connolly when he still has alittle value rather than lose him for nothing.


Oh I don't forget that... I said they had the right picks at the right time... for sure, but they are still built down the middle... they still used those top picks on 3 C and a goalie... they still built it down the middle... thats what the Sabres need to do now... if through the draft or farm system or trade pre or post deadline... we need one if not 2 C.... the most important being the top line C... a 1/2 guy... rather a solid 1 guy, but they are few and far between...

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I'm not big on trading a 1st unless you get a guy that is a solid player who is still young and getting better. Hemsky is good but I wouldn't use a first on him and Penner he's alittle lazy.


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Maybe we could use our first to add a little value to players we currently have. Putting in a 1st with Connolly would make a Connolly trade more understandable.

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Maybe we could use our first to add a little value to players we currently have. Putting in a 1st with Connolly would make a Connolly trade more understandable.


It all depends on who your getting back with that. No Hemsky or Penner please.


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Maybe we could use our first to add a little value to players we currently have. Putting in a 1st with Connolly would make a Connolly trade more understandable.


It all depends on who your getting back with that. No Hemsky or Penner please.


I don't think Connolly and a 1st would get anyone much better than Hemsky or Penner.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
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Maybe we could use our first to add a little value to players we currently have. Putting in a 1st with Connolly would make a Connolly trade more understandable.


It all depends on who your getting back with that. No Hemsky or Penner please.


I don't think Connolly and a 1st would get anyone much better than Hemsky or Penner.


I wouldn't make a trade then. Dump Connolly and hopefully get a second for him. I wouldn't even mind Connolly going to Los Angeles and see if you can get one of their prospects or a pick. They need more offense. Right now Buffalo has a top ten pick and if they fall into a losing streak could make it a top 5. I don't move our first at all. Now if we were a top team and we needed some depth or something like that then I don't mind them trading the 1st but we our years away right now.


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You're suggesting to stop going for the playoffs this season, dump forwards, and getting picks so hopefully we can fail a few more seasons until we have a CHANCE to get good people?

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You're suggesting to stop going for the playoffs this season, dump forwards, and getting picks so hopefully we can fail a few more seasons until we have a CHANCE to get good people?


I'm not suggesting them to stop going for the playoffs. I would rather them unload Connolly, Hecht, Butler, Niedermayer and Grier and play the youngsters rather than get nothing for these guys. I know they might not get you alot but in all honesty how far do you think this current team is going to go if they even make it? Be for real. This team isn't that good. If the 06-07 team couldn't do it what in the world makes you believe this team can make a run. I just don't see them doing much at all this season. They are too small and lack playing a full 60 minute game and don't have enough to keep up with the top teams for a seven game series. You want to build a winner start unloading this teams trash and start building around Myers, Miller, Ennis, Vanek and Roy.


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SabresBillsFan wrote:
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You're suggesting to stop going for the playoffs this season, dump forwards, and getting picks so hopefully we can fail a few more seasons until we have a CHANCE to get good people?


I'm not suggesting them to stop going for the playoffs. I would rather them unload Connolly, Hecht, Butler, Niedermayer and Grier and play the youngsters rather than get nothing for these guys. I know they might not get you alot but in all honesty how far do you think this current team is going to go if they even make it? Be for real. This team isn't that good. If the 06-07 team couldn't do it what in the world makes you believe this team can make a run. I just don't see them doing much at all this season. They are too small and lack playing a full 60 minute game and don't have enough to keep up with the top teams for a seven game series. You want to build a winner start unloading this teams trash and start building around Myers, Miller, Ennis, Vanek and Roy.

As much as people hate Connolly (myself included) he is actually still an important piece to this team. Other than Roy, Connolly is the only C good enough for the 2nd line. Well, you know, unless you want Niedermeyer or Gaustad on the second line but thats just me.

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You're suggesting to stop going for the playoffs this season, dump forwards, and getting picks so hopefully we can fail a few more seasons until we have a CHANCE to get good people?


I'm not suggesting them to stop going for the playoffs. I would rather them unload Connolly, Hecht, Butler, Niedermayer and Grier and play the youngsters rather than get nothing for these guys. I know they might not get you alot but in all honesty how far do you think this current team is going to go if they even make it? Be for real. This team isn't that good. If the 06-07 team couldn't do it what in the world makes you believe this team can make a run. I just don't see them doing much at all this season. They are too small and lack playing a full 60 minute game and don't have enough to keep up with the top teams for a seven game series. You want to build a winner start unloading this teams trash and start building around Myers, Miller, Ennis, Vanek and Roy.

As much as people hate Connolly (myself included) he is actually still an important piece to this team. Other than Roy, Connolly is the only C good enough for the 2nd line. Well, you know, unless you want Niedermeyer or Gaustad on the second line but thats just me.


Yes Connolly might be an important piece to this team but here is the question. We all know we need Center help but do you really keep this guy or do you unload him and get what you can for him. Your not going to build for the future around Connolly. Time for him to go. Call up a couple of the kids from Portland and see what they can do. Why lose him for nothing. Especially when this team needs offensive prospects in the worst way. Besides Kassian, Foligno and Adam their isn't much help coming on offense.


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SabresBillsFan wrote:
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You're suggesting to stop going for the playoffs this season, dump forwards, and getting picks so hopefully we can fail a few more seasons until we have a CHANCE to get good people?


I'm not suggesting them to stop going for the playoffs. I would rather them unload Connolly, Hecht, Butler, Niedermayer and Grier and play the youngsters rather than get nothing for these guys. I know they might not get you alot but in all honesty how far do you think this current team is going to go if they even make it? Be for real. This team isn't that good. If the 06-07 team couldn't do it what in the world makes you believe this team can make a run. I just don't see them doing much at all this season. They are too small and lack playing a full 60 minute game and don't have enough to keep up with the top teams for a seven game series. You want to build a winner start unloading this teams trash and start building around Myers, Miller, Ennis, Vanek and Roy.

As much as people hate Connolly (myself included) he is actually still an important piece to this team. Other than Roy, Connolly is the only C good enough for the 2nd line. Well, you know, unless you want Niedermeyer or Gaustad on the second line but thats just me.


Yes Connolly might be an important piece to this team but here is the question. We all know we need Center help but do you really keep this guy or do you unload him and get what you can for him. Your not going to build for the future around Connolly. Time for him to go. Call up a couple of the kids from Portland and see what they can do. Why lose him for nothing. Especially when this team needs offensive prospects in the worst way. Besides Kassian, Foligno and Adam their isn't much help coming.

See what we can get for him? Im sorry, but dumping your only scoring C for a 6th or 7th pick right now isn't a very good idea. And you wanna call up Portland players? What if they cant compete at NHL level? Now you've got an unproductive Center and no real 2nd line C.

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Then I guess you lose Connolly for nothing then and then what. If you get lucky and make the playoffs you get knock out in the first round? This team isn't going to beat Philly in a 7 game series. You want to build a winner you have to dump the trash especially if it's unrestricted free agent. If the free agent class was solid this year I could see a quick turn-around in this team but with Brad Richards being the key guy and I have a feeling that Dallas will do what it takes to keep him I just don't see him hitting the market. A three year turn around with what Pegula is asking is going to be very tough. Philly got lucky on how fast they turned it around because of free agency with Briere and I believe Timmonen. Plus a couple of solid drafts, then you have quick turnaround. But teams are getting smart unload your unrestricted free agents and get something for them rather than lose them for nothing. Plus key free agents are getting signed these days. Most of the top teams are built thru the draft and then tinker with future picks or players to acquire the other key pieces. But Buffalo doesn't have that luxury right now. We need picks and some good young players. They don't have much offensive players coming except for Kassian, Foligno, Adam and maybe Tropp. Other than that their isn't anything. This team needs a couple of studs on offense. Sorry but Connolly isn't one of them. We need to start with a clean slate. Build around Miller, Myers, Ennis, Roy and Vanek. Plus we have a ton of d-man coming.


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Then I guess you lose Connolly for nothing then and then what. If you get lucky and make the playoffs you get knock out in the first round? This team isn't going to beat Philly in a 7 game series. You want to build a winner you have to dump the trash especially if it's unrestricted free agent. If the free agent class was solid this year I could see a quick turn-around in this team but with Brad Richards being the key guy and I have a feeling that Dallas will do what it takes to keep him I just don't see him hitting the market. A three year turn around with what Pegula is asking is going to be very tough. Philly got lucky on how fast they turned it around because of free agency with Briere and I believe Timmonen. Plus a couple of solid drafts, then you have quick turnaround. But teams are getting smart unload your unrestricted free agents and get something for them rather than lose them for nothing. Plus key free agents are getting signed these days.

Well, if you get Richards on this team, then fuck Connolly, drop him, and go for another playoff run, but why would Richards want to come here? Im absolutely positive that at least 5 other teams will offer Richards a contract. Of these 5 teams, I bet 2 of the teams are already 5th or better in their conference standings. I think Richards would want to go to a team that will compete for the cup for a decade without stopping.

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I highly doubt Richards comes here too especially if he even hits the open market. I have a feeling Dallas will do what it takes to keep him there. Everyone thinks I just want them to tank and build thru the draft all I'm saying is this team isn't good enough to make a run. Plus with a handful of teams on their ass and a long road trip coming if this team goes any a losing streak they could land a top 5 pick. I just don't see Regier turning into Burke and making deal after deal to make this team a cup contender. Darcy tends to build thru the draft. Why not give him more picks to work with.


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I highly doubt Richards comes here too especially if he even hits the open market. I have a feeling Dallas will do what it takes to keep him there. Everyone thinks I just want them to tank and build thru the draft all I'm saying is this team isn't good enough to make a run. Plus with a handful of teams on their ass and a long road trip coming if this team goes any a losing streak they could land a top 5 pick. I just don't see Regier turning into Burke and making deal after deal to make this team a cup contender. Darcy tends to build thru the draft. Why not give him more picks to work with.

This draft is very weak, and even if we do land a top 5 pick, he could still never even see NHL ice.

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I highly doubt Richards comes here too especially if he even hits the open market. I have a feeling Dallas will do what it takes to keep him there. Everyone thinks I just want them to tank and build thru the draft all I'm saying is this team isn't good enough to make a run. Plus with a handful of teams on their ass and a long road trip coming if this team goes any a losing streak they could land a top 5 pick. I just don't see Regier turning into Burke and making deal after deal to make this team a cup contender. Darcy tends to build thru the draft. Why not give him more picks to work with.

This draft is very weak, and even if we do land a top 5 pick, he could still never even see NHL ice.


That's the chance you have to take. All I'm saying is Darcy is going to have a tough time turning this team around in 3 years or less with a weak free agency class. Drafting is the key of most of these top teams. I just don't see any reason on keeping Connolly on this team especially if he walks for nothing. Time will tell if Darcy really couldn't do much under past ownership or if he really is a smart GM.


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You're suggesting to stop going for the playoffs this season, dump forwards, and getting picks so hopefully we can fail a few more seasons until we have a CHANCE to get good people?


I'm not suggesting them to stop going for the playoffs. I would rather them unload Connolly, Hecht, Butler, Niedermayer and Grier and play the youngsters rather than get nothing for these guys. I know they might not get you alot but in all honesty how far do you think this current team is going to go if they even make it? Be for real. This team isn't that good. If the 06-07 team couldn't do it what in the world makes you believe this team can make a run. I just don't see them doing much at all this season. They are too small and lack playing a full 60 minute game and don't have enough to keep up with the top teams for a seven game series. You want to build a winner start unloading this teams trash and start building around Myers, Miller, Ennis, Vanek and Roy.

The most you're getting from any of these players would be a 7th rounder, and that would be putting all those players together in one trade.

They all either walk, or resigned, and the only one I'm not giving up on is Butler, because of age and position, remember Campbell, took the guy 8 years to become anywhere decent. Butler has only been in the league for 3 years if that now.

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Skyline.

I just think Darcy is going to have a very hard time turning this team into a contender in three years without finsihing close to last. If most key free agents are signed and you want to build a team to compete for the cup this isn't going to be an easy task. You will have to rely on awesome scouting and very good trades or drafting.


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I just think Darcy is going to have a very hard time turning this team into a contender in three years without finsihing close to last. If most key free agents are signed and you want to build a team to compete for the cup this isn't going to be an easy task. You will have to rely on awesome scouting and very good trades or drafting.

Why not? Why are we so far away from being a strong team for?

We wouldn't be in our situation had Miller and our defense not struggled early in the year. Our offense has 170 goals, more than Washington has currently. And more than 14 teams in the league. 6 or so of them are in the playoffs.

We need a few pieces to be gone, and a few new pieces to come, nothing major, though it would be nice, but small third and fourth line role guys to really shore up the offense and defensive side of things.

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Buffalo has alot of good young defenseman on the way but we lack any offensive prospects in the system besides Kassian, Foligno, Adam and possibly Tropp. Other than that this team needs some help up front and I don't know if these guys are going to be the answer for at least a number of years.
It just seems if you look at all the top teams besides Detroit all have a ton of top picks on them playing well plus you throw in alot of smart moves thru trades and free agency these teams have alot more than Buffalo has.


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