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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:09 pm 
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Has there ever been a better year to trade our first rounder?

Terry is revamping the scouting department because he thinks they could be doing a much better job. Unfortunately, we've missed out on a whole season's worth of scouting under the old program.

Why not trade our first rounder for a big return?

Draft picks carry a good amount of weight now a days, and a first round pick is pretty damn valuable to a team looking to rebuild.

So the question is; who's heading into rebuild mode that needs draft picks, and what could we pick up from them for our first rounder plus?

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First, Timmy, +??? to the Pens for Malkin....

They need C help... Timmy will get them through... may have to give up a winger to.. BUT if healthy we would have a legit #1 C!!!

Plus, two of our 2 new execs have Pens ties...

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Does Penner appeal to anybody?

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Van_Da_Man wrote:
Does Penner appeal to anybody?


Is he a C?

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gr8daygo wrote:
First, Timmy, +??? to the Pens for Malkin....

They need C help... Timmy will get them through... may have to give up a winger to.. BUT if healthy we would have a legit #1 C!!!

Plus, two of our 2 new execs have Pens ties...



The only flaw in your logic is that Penguins GM Ray Shero is not mentally handicapped. If he was, I still don't think he would make that deal.

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Penner isn't worth a first round pick, but he could be a good second line winger if Lindy could fix his attitude problems. Start with a 2nd rounder and sweeten the pot as EDM desires to a reasonable degree.

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Nope, but I've always liked him. :)

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Penner is the winger Tambellini went after when his offer sheet tactic for Vanek didn't work. Kid won the Cup in Anaheim and has slacked off ever since in EDM.

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X-pensfan wrote:
gr8daygo wrote:
First, Timmy, +??? to the Pens for Malkin....

They need C help... Timmy will get them through... may have to give up a winger to.. BUT if healthy we would have a legit #1 C!!!

Plus, two of our 2 new execs have Pens ties...



The only flaw in your logic is that Penguins GM Ray Shero is not mentally handicapped. If he was, I still don't think he would make that deal.


So what is a Top line C that just went through reconstructive knee surgery that you can't afford next year worth? Oh and your top two C are out currently ....

Malkin's value has certainly taken a hit with the Pens needs and injury

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Malkin blew out his whole knee.

I wouldn't trade shit for him until I see him on skates again.

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gr8daygo wrote:
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gr8daygo wrote:
First, Timmy, +??? to the Pens for Malkin....

They need C help... Timmy will get them through... may have to give up a winger to.. BUT if healthy we would have a legit #1 C!!!

Plus, two of our 2 new execs have Pens ties...



The only flaw in your logic is that Penguins GM Ray Shero is not mentally handicapped. If he was, I still don't think he would make that deal.


So what is a Top line C that just went through reconstructive knee surgery that you can't afford next year worth? Oh and your top two C are out currently ....

Malkin's value has certainly taken a hit with the Pens needs and injury



Ummm why can't they afford him next year? Kovalev isn't coming back, and even if he did why would any sane man want to trade a 23 year old SSC to make room for a washed up SSRW? They will have plenty of room for Neal's salary next season and for years to follow.

I just heard a radio interview with Shero today and I assure you Malkin isn't going anywhere. And like you said, his value is low now. So why not have him get healthy and plug him on a line with Neal next season and then trade him at the deadline when his value is back to it's peak. He's still under contract for a couple more years, but eventually they will trade him.

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Van_Da_Man wrote:
Does Penner appeal to anybody?



I never liked him personally, but I think his stature and scoring touch could certainly help the Sabres. For a 1st rounder....mmmhehhhh I guess so but I wouldn't feel good about it. Plus he's rumored to be lazy.

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For a 1st round pick that may or may not work out, I'd still take a Penner or Hemsky that you know your getting a 50+ point per year guy, and an already established NHL player. I see no reason to not atleast make the call and see.

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It would also have to be for a player under contract for at least two years, unless there's a ton of confidence in re-signing him again.


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jvaccaro6 wrote:
For a 1st round pick that may or may not work out, I'd still take a Penner or Hemsky that you know your getting a 50+ point per year guy, and an already established NHL player. I see no reason to not atleast make the call and see.

Id trade a 1st for Hemsky, but a 2nd for Penner.

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I wouldn't trade our first pick for Penner or Hemsky. Buffalo has the 9th pick overall right now and a few teams right on their ass. Why not trade Connolly, Butler, Hecht and a few others for picks and move up in the draft and get hopefully a franchise center. I would start with a new slate and build around Miller, Myers, Ennis, Vanek and Roy. This team even though they are capable of making the playoffs aren't built right now for a long run. I'm so sick of hearing Miller could carry them or if they get hot. This team isn't that good. If the 06-07 team couldn't do this what in the world makes you believe this team can. Don't fool yourselves. Gather up the picks during this offseason and draft a ton of offense. This team is loaded with Defense which is good now we need to acquire some firepower. The top teams in the league have rebuilt thru the draft. Sabres need to draft skilled offensive players that have heart and desire to work hard each and every night not a guy like Hemsky even though he has skilled doesn't give his all everynight and if he was that good why in the hell would Edmonton be shopping him. Same goes for Penner.


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jvaccaro6 wrote:
For a 1st round pick that may or may not work out, I'd still take a Penner or Hemsky that you know your getting a 50+ point per year guy, and an already established NHL player. I see no reason to not atleast make the call and see.



Rather couple the first with whatever to track down a C... we need C... maybe two... so why not try and package that first rounder to grab the biggest position of need... no matter who you put on the wings, if you don't have the pivot to pull it all together its just not going to work...

The new execs say they want to build it like the Pens... well the Pens are built down the middle... from Sid...Malkin...Staal...Talbot... MAF.... simply solid down the center of the ice... I know that is one hell of an act to follow and they had the right picks at the right time to pull it off...

With that said, if Im building this team...and Im giving up the first this year... Im finding at least one C... maybe 2... and we may have to wait until after the season to find that trade, because other than richards, the F/A market for C is weak...

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Goose/Cody

Just my thoughts on how to build it....

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gr8daygo wrote:
jvaccaro6 wrote:
For a 1st round pick that may or may not work out, I'd still take a Penner or Hemsky that you know your getting a 50+ point per year guy, and an already established NHL player. I see no reason to not atleast make the call and see.



Rather couple the first with whatever to track down a C... we need C... maybe two... so why not try and package that first rounder to grab the biggest position of need... no matter who you put on the wings, if you don't have the pivot to pull it all together its just not going to work...

The new execs say they want to build it like the Pens... well the Pens are built down the middle... from Sid...Malkin...Staal...Talbot... MAF.... simply solid down the center of the ice... I know that is one hell of an act to follow and they had the right picks at the right time to pull it off...

With that said, if Im building this team...and Im giving up the first this year... Im finding at least one C... maybe 2... and we may have to wait until after the season to find that trade, because other than richards, the F/A market for C is weak...

NEW C
Roy
Adam/New C #2
Goose/Cody

Just my thoughts on how to build it....

People forget the Pens had top 5 picks for how many years straight. Build thru the draft. Get rid of Connolly when he still has alittle value rather than lose him for nothing.


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SabresBillsFan wrote:
I wouldn't trade our first pick for Penner or Hemsky. Buffalo has the 9th pick overall right now and a few teams right on their ass. Why not trade Connolly, Butler, Hecht and a few others for picks and move up in the draft and get hopefully a franchise center. I would start with a new slate and build around Miller, Myers, Ennis, Vanek and Roy. This team even though they are capable of making the playoffs aren't built right now for a long run. I'm so sick of hearing Miller could carry them or if they get hot. This team isn't that good. If the 06-07 team couldn't do this what in the world makes you believe this team can. Don't fool yourselves. Gather up the picks during this offseason and draft a ton of offense. This team is loaded with Defense which is good now we need to acquire some firepower. The top teams in the league have rebuilt thru the draft. Sabres need to draft skilled offensive players that have heart and desire to work hard each and every night not a guy like Hemsky even though he has skilled doesn't give his all everynight and if he was that good why in the hell would Edmonton be shopping him. Same goes for Penner.



Interesting thought... is there a C that could step in and play right away in the draft? I know they are still young kids and growing but who is at the top of the draft at C and can you compare them to anyone?

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gr8daygo wrote:
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I wouldn't trade our first pick for Penner or Hemsky. Buffalo has the 9th pick overall right now and a few teams right on their ass. Why not trade Connolly, Butler, Hecht and a few others for picks and move up in the draft and get hopefully a franchise center. I would start with a new slate and build around Miller, Myers, Ennis, Vanek and Roy. This team even though they are capable of making the playoffs aren't built right now for a long run. I'm so sick of hearing Miller could carry them or if they get hot. This team isn't that good. If the 06-07 team couldn't do this what in the world makes you believe this team can. Don't fool yourselves. Gather up the picks during this offseason and draft a ton of offense. This team is loaded with Defense which is good now we need to acquire some firepower. The top teams in the league have rebuilt thru the draft. Sabres need to draft skilled offensive players that have heart and desire to work hard each and every night not a guy like Hemsky even though he has skilled doesn't give his all everynight and if he was that good why in the hell would Edmonton be shopping him. Same goes for Penner.


Interesting thought... is there a C that could step in and play right away in the draft? I know they are still young kids and growing but who is at the top of the draft at C and can you compare them to anyone?


It's going to take a couple of years to build a solid team unless the free agent class is strong and this years isn't. So this is going to be a work in progress. Gather up the picks now and draft a ton of offensive players. This team doesn't need anymore defenseman. They already have what's in Portland. And the have 3 or 4 in junior that don't seem bad at all.


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