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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:14 pm 
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Trading Connolly is a catch 22.

Argument 1: He won't be back next year (please, God!!), so at least get something for him.

Argument 2: We have no depth to fill his spot.

-Management has to decide whether they want to sneak into the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed, and likely get bounced in the 1st round (therefore keeping Timmy), or go into a mini-rebuild and get a high draft pick (We'd be picking 9th, as of today).

Personally, I'd like us to deal Connolly, Neids, Greir, and Monty (if he won't re-sign), fill their spots with Portland kids (Biega, Adam, Byron) and hope for the best.

Worst case scenario, we get a shot at Nugent-Hopkins/Landeskog/Couturier/Strome/Saad......

By the way, I REALLY like Strome



I agree with your post. I'm in the same boat as you. But here is what people need to be thinking. Is Connolly part of Pegula's 3 year plan to get to the Cup? I say no so why keep him.


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I agree with your post. I'm in the same boat as you. But here is what people need to be thinking. Is Connolly part of Pegula's 3 year plan to get to the Cup? I say no so why keep him.


Because it will look like we're throwing in the towel, I guess?

Either way, I still say do it :lol:

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Pegula wants to instill faith and belief in the group he has, whether they are really good enough or not. He also is not making this a tryout for Darcy to keep his job. He's already made it clear he doesn't want to "panic" with any dramatic moves. Pegula wants to make the playoffs no matter how far anyone thinks they'll go. That means being buyers and keeping Connolly. Whether anyone likes it or not, the team is stronger with him than without. Problem is, with parity keeping many teams in the hunt, more teams are buyers than sellers, so the pickings are indeed very slim. People will have to just get over it if Regier mentions this after Monday, because it's just plain true.


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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
Pegula wants to instill faith and belief in the group he has, whether they are really good enough or not. He also is not making this a tryout for Darcy to keep his job. He's already made it clear he doesn't want to "panic" with any dramatic moves. Pegula wants to make the playoffs no matter how far anyone thinks they'll go. That means being buyers and keeping Connolly. Whether anyone likes it or not, the team is stronger with him than without. Problem is, with parity keeping many teams in the hunt, more teams are buyers than sellers, so the pickings are indeed very slim. People will have to just get over it if Regier mentions this after Monday, because it's just plain true.

I agree with all of this by far. Seriously? Why in the world would Darcy just wait until the last minute? Im pretty sure he's on the phone just like every other GM.

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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
Pegula wants to instill faith and belief in the group he has, whether they are really good enough or not. He also is not making this a tryout for Darcy to keep his job. He's already made it clear he doesn't want to "panic" with any dramatic moves. Pegula wants to make the playoffs no matter how far anyone thinks they'll go. That means being buyers and keeping Connolly. Whether anyone likes it or not, the team is stronger with him than without. Problem is, with parity keeping many teams in the hunt, more teams are buyers than sellers, so the pickings are indeed very slim. People will have to just get over it if Regier mentions this after Monday, because it's just plain true.


Here is the question to you then. Pegula's 3 year plan do you think it's feasible with Darcy at the helm?
To me I don't. This team isn't good and that's fine if he wants to instill faith and belief in this group but he's going to find out the hard way that this current core isn't good enough.


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Of course it's not a Cup winner, but for now with the current roster Pegula wants to change the atmosphere around HSBC. Regier is a good GM and now he doesn't have to worry about getting moves approved from above. That's good, but it doesn't mean anything and everything will happen tomorrow no matter how aggressive he is. There are just a few teams selling with lots of buyers that will potentially sell their 2011 draft for this playoff. Part of being a good GM is not getting worked over in a trade just because you felt it necessary to "do something".

I would pay a hefty price for a #1 center though, but that all depends on the endless combos of personnel involved. Otherwise there is only so much that can be done at the deadline. If Richards or Stastny or Weiss stay where they are then 28 other GMs didn't "do something" either. Not that you want to buy, but selling all UFAs and throwing in the towel while they are sitting at 9th and playing better hockey is the absolute opposite message that Pegula wants to bring.


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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
Of course it's not a Cup winner, but for now with the current roster Pegula wants to change the atmosphere around HSBC. Regier is a good GM and now he doesn't have to worry about getting moves approved from above. That's good, but it doesn't mean anything and everything will happen tomorrow no matter how aggressive he is. There are just a few teams selling with lots of buyers that will potentially sell their 2011 draft for this playoff. Part of being a good GM is not getting worked over in a trade just because you felt it necessary to "do something".

I would pay a hefty price for a #1 center though, but that all depends on the endless combos of personnel involved. Otherwise there is only so much that can be done at the deadline. If Richards or Stastny or Weiss stay where they are then 28 other GMs didn't "do something" either. Not that you want to buy, but selling all UFAs and throwing in the towel while they are sitting at 9th and playing better hockey is the absolute opposite message that Pegula wants to bring.


I hear everything your saying but what do you think about Pegula's 3 year plan? And that's what I'm talking about. We all know most GM's aren't going to overpay just to do something. But I'm talking about the plan for the Cup and that's the main goal. Because you and I both know Connolly and a few others won't be around here to see it anyways.


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Well first, Pegula isn't trying to guarantee anything in three years, but for the sake of argument, trading Connolly for a 2nd rd pick isn't going to make or break anything. Regier deserves a chance to makes moves unconstrained, and I don't see how any other potential GM is going to do a much better job than Regier.

Two things have to change for Buffalo to become more competitive, and they have nothing to do with the GM. One, make the organization an attractive place for big name UFAs and two, put more into scouting and player development. With those advantages Regier can actually bring better players in before and after they establish themselves.


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This argument sucks, just because we have a new owner before this deadline doesn't mean we are going to be the biggest buyers in the world. It's impossible.

We're in 9th, two points out, with two games in hand, are you seriously thinking they won't have a shot of making the playoffs. Sneak into the playoffs and you could go all the way to the Stanley Cup Final, the team is playing their best hockey right now. Maybe add a subtle piece to the picture of someone you think can help the team out right now.

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liles reportedly wants to play for buffalo, and will waive his NTC to come to buffalo.

do it!

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
This argument sucks, just because we have a new owner before this deadline doesn't mean we are going to be the biggest buyers in the world. It's impossible.

We're in 9th, two points out, with two games in hand, are you seriously thinking they won't have a shot of making the playoffs. Sneak into the playoffs and you could go all the way to the Stanley Cup Final, the team is playing their best hockey right now. Maybe add a subtle piece to the picture of someone you think can help the team out right now.


I agree for the most part, but I don't think they are playing their best hockey right now. They are definitely playing better as of now, especially Miller, but they can be so much better at times.


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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
liles reportedly wants to play for buffalo, and will waive his NTC to come to buffalo.

do it!


Don't get me wrong but the team is loaded with Defensive prospects. Is this a smart move to bring Liles in??????? This team needs help on offense. To me this move wouldn't make an sense unless they trade one of their current defenseman.


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liles is an offensive blueliner.

hes also a product of the great state of michigan. so. i like it.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
This argument sucks, just because we have a new owner before this deadline doesn't mean we are going to be the biggest buyers in the world. It's impossible.

We're in 9th, two points out, with two games in hand, are you seriously thinking they won't have a shot of making the playoffs. Sneak into the playoffs and you could go all the way to the Stanley Cup Final, the team is playing their best hockey right now. Maybe add a subtle piece to the picture of someone you think can help the team out right now.


Okay here is my issue that I have. Do you really believe this team is going to make a run for the cup? If the 06-07 team couldn't which was ahell of alot better than this years squad what makes you believe that this team could. Dream on. I'm talking about Pegula's 3 year cup plan and building the team for that. I know we aren't going to build a winner at the deadline and I don't expect that. I'm just not a fan of keeping unrestricted players on the roster when you have a team that's not contending. Why lose them for nothing. Pegula's talked about more scouting why not give Darcy more picks to work with and maybe move up. This team right now has the 9th pick and this is a make or break road trip. Like I said I'm talking about Pegula's 3 year Cup plan. This is going to be a work in progress for any GM. The free agent class this year is weak and I wouldn't be surprised if Richards never hits the open market.


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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
liles is an offensive blueliner.

hes also a product of the great state of michigan. so. i like it.


I know he's an offensiver blueliner. I'm just looking at the current team and who Darcy would have to move to bring Liles on. This team needs offense help and moving players to bring in another D-man wouldn't make much sense to me. We have a ton of defensive prospects in Portland and at least 4 defenseman in Junior. This team needs offense. Plain and simple. Now if he is looking at upgrading the defense by bringing in Liles and getting rid of one of our current defenseman fine. But he's not gonna solve the scoring issue's up front.


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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
This argument sucks, just because we have a new owner before this deadline doesn't mean we are going to be the biggest buyers in the world. It's impossible.

We're in 9th, two points out, with two games in hand, are you seriously thinking they won't have a shot of making the playoffs. Sneak into the playoffs and you could go all the way to the Stanley Cup Final, the team is playing their best hockey right now. Maybe add a subtle piece to the picture of someone you think can help the team out right now.


Okay here is my issue that I have. Do you really believe this team is going to make a run for the cup? If the 06-07 team couldn't which was ahell of alot better than this years squad what makes you believe that this team could. Dream on. I'm talking about Pegula's 3 year cup plan and building the team for that. I know we aren't going to build a winner at the deadline and I don't expect that. I'm just not a fan of keeping unrestricted players on the roster when you don't have a team that's not contending. Why lose them for nothing. Pegula's talked about more scouting why not give Darcy more picks to work with and maybe move up. This team right now has the 9th pick and this is a make or break road trip. Like I said I'm talking about Pegula's 3 year Cup plan. This is going to be a work in progress for any GM. The free agent class this year is weak and I wouldn't be surprised if Richards never hits the open market.
06-07 team was not built for any sort of defense, this team is built a hell of a lot better on the blueline.

Did anyone think the Flyers were going to make it as far as they did? Did anyone think Pittsburgh, Washington, New Jersey, Buffalo, and Boston were gonna fall flat on their faces like that?

You make the playoffs and anything can happen, remember how none of the top three in the East moved to the next round.

I don't want to see a move for the sake of making a move. I want them to bolster the team anyway they can, and if that means going with what we have, I'm fine with it. We've played good hockey and have more wins than losses in 2011 so far. We keep playing like this we can get the 6th, 7th, or 8th spot.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
SabresBillsFan wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
This argument sucks, just because we have a new owner before this deadline doesn't mean we are going to be the biggest buyers in the world. It's impossible.

We're in 9th, two points out, with two games in hand, are you seriously thinking they won't have a shot of making the playoffs. Sneak into the playoffs and you could go all the way to the Stanley Cup Final, the team is playing their best hockey right now. Maybe add a subtle piece to the picture of someone you think can help the team out right now.


Okay here is my issue that I have. Do you really believe this team is going to make a run for the cup? If the 06-07 team couldn't which was ahell of alot better than this years squad what makes you believe that this team could. Dream on. I'm talking about Pegula's 3 year cup plan and building the team for that. I know we aren't going to build a winner at the deadline and I don't expect that. I'm just not a fan of keeping unrestricted players on the roster when you don't have a team that's not contending. Why lose them for nothing. Pegula's talked about more scouting why not give Darcy more picks to work with and maybe move up. This team right now has the 9th pick and this is a make or break road trip. Like I said I'm talking about Pegula's 3 year Cup plan. This is going to be a work in progress for any GM. The free agent class this year is weak and I wouldn't be surprised if Richards never hits the open market.
06-07 team was not built for any sort of defense, this team is built a hell of a lot better on the blueline.

Did anyone think the Flyers were going to make it as far as they did? Did anyone think Pittsburgh, Washington, New Jersey, Buffalo, and Boston were gonna fall flat on their faces like that?

You make the playoffs and anything can happen, remember how none of the top three in the East moved to the next round.

I don't want to see a move for the sake of making a move. I want them to bolster the team anyway they can, and if that means going with what we have, I'm fine with it. We've played good hockey and have more wins than losses in 2011 so far. We keep playing like this we can get the 6th, 7th, or 8th spot.


Their is no way in hell this team beats Philly or Washington in a seven game series. No Way. Shit we can't even beat Pittsburgh with No Crosby!

Don't get me wrong I want them to bolster this team anyway they can. I just don't believe this team is good enough to get out the first round if they even make it. Come on we had some big games against teams under us in the standing and they fell flat on their faces. What makes you think they are gonna play great against the better teams.


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Last night's game...

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Last night's game...


What about Last Night's Game. As Soon as Detroit woke up the Sabres couldn't do shit. They wouldn't last in a seven games series against the top teams. If you really believe they can beat a team like that in a seven game series then I want what your smoking!


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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Last night's game...


What about Last Night's Game. As Soon as Detroit woke up the Sabres couldn't do shit. They wouldn't last in a seven games series against the top teams. If you really believe they can beat a team like that in a seven game series then I want what your smoking!

I think this team can beat any team in the league when they play a full 60 minute game and aren't on a back to back game against an opponent who hadn't played in a day or two. They skated with Detroit into the second period and then they stopped skating as hard because they were clearly tired.

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