:: View topic - the PHX situation

seattle doesnt have an arena ready, even temporarily, unless they go to tacoma. and i dont see that happening.

A Seattle team would be great. Especially since the U.S needs to get bigger on hockey, changing it from a place with no fans to a place with many fans would help that.

BlueandYellow wrote:

A Seattle team would be great. Especially since the U.S needs to get bigger on hockey, changing it from a place with no fans to a place with many fans would help that.

Not that we know that a Seattle team would have a lot of NHL fans... At the same time, Seattle lacks a secondary sports market outside of American football. They have the Seattle Sounders, but soccer pales in comparison of popularity to what the NHL or the NBA would bring.

Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:

BlueandYellow wrote:

A Seattle team would be great. Especially since the U.S needs to get bigger on hockey, changing it from a place with no fans to a place with many fans would help that.

They'd have more fans than Phoenix most likely.

BlueandYellow wrote:

Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:

BlueandYellow wrote:

A Seattle team would be great. Especially since the U.S needs to get bigger on hockey, changing it from a place with no fans to a place with many fans would help that.

They'd have more fans than Phoenix most likely.

I'm pretty sure any location north of Phoenix (Glendale) would have more fans than that area.

Seattle or Portland is what everyone wants basically. Make it happen, keep Phoenix and add two teams to the west like they will eventually do.

Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

Seattle or Portland is what everyone wants basically. Make it happen, keep Phoenix and add two teams to the west like they will eventually do.

Why keep Phoenix if there is no chance they will ever make any money?

Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

Seattle or Portland is what everyone wants basically. Make it happen, keep Phoenix and add two teams to the west like they will eventually do.

Why keep Phoenix if there is no chance they will ever make any money?

Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:

Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

Seattle or Portland is what everyone wants basically. Make it happen, keep Phoenix and add two teams to the west like they will eventually do.

Why keep Phoenix if there is no chance they will ever make any money?

Because they are beating around the bush here. IF you're not gonna fold the team or move them in the 4 years you've owned them, they never will.

Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:

Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

Seattle or Portland is what everyone wants basically. Make it happen, keep Phoenix and add two teams to the west like they will eventually do.

Why keep Phoenix if there is no chance they will ever make any money?

Because they are beating around the bush here. IF you're not gonna fold the team or move them in the 4 years you've owned them, they never will.

I'm pretty sure it's getting pretty close to that. Phoenix is a team that operates in the black, and the only way they can sell tickets is by selling seriously discounted tickets. It's not working and eventually they will leave. It happened in Atlanta.

Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:

Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

Seattle or Portland is what everyone wants basically. Make it happen, keep Phoenix and add two teams to the west like they will eventually do.

Why keep Phoenix if there is no chance they will ever make any money?

Because they are beating around the bush here. IF you're not gonna fold the team or move them in the 4 years you've owned them, they never will.

Author:	ironyisadeadscene [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:40 pm ]
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can anyone tell me what the fuck is going on with the yotes? i hear they are sold, than i hear they arnt. then i hear quebec city. than i hear suspending/folding the team. ive heard detroit might stay out west now. seriously, i could google this. but im lazy. someone help me out here. create some discussion.

Author:	BagBoy [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:41 pm ]
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I haven’t googled it either, but there’s no way it comes down to suspension/folding. That would require the NHLPA and the League to agree on a way to distribute the PHX players/assets. Hell, they couldn’t even agree to move Winnipeg westward this year. Aside from that, people in Quebec City would riot if the NHL disbanded PHX instead of moving them to Quebec City. That is what I really want. Not the rioting, of course, but a PHX to move to Quebec City. A Quebec City team could only be in our division, so that should definitely bump Detroit back west. I just don’t get the feeling that this is going to happen any time soon (if at all), but I sure hope I’m wrong about that. I have some ties to PHX, and the economy and real estate prices there really went to shit in 2008 – as in houses losing half their value. Naturally, this meant people weren’t spending as much money on the Coyotes, and the City of Glendale wasn’t generating nearly as much tax revenue to help support them back then. Things in PHX have gotten markedly better since then.

Author:	PatGreen [ Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:43 am ]
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bettman just talked about this: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=6737 ... l:topheads "Obviously we're getting to the point where some decisions are going to have to be made both by the City of Glendale and by us," Commissioner Bettman said. "I haven't set a deadline, but time is getting shorter." "A delay could be a no-decision," Daly said. "A no-decision could be a decision in this case. They understand. There is no misunderstanding with respect to what our timetable is vis-a-vis the City of Glendale. They know what our decision timeline is and what other decisions we have to make. There is no misunderstanding." Commissioner Bettman said there are several markets interested in the Coyotes should the ownership situation not be resolved. He would not name cities, however. "The phone keeps ringing more regularly the longer that the Coyotes situation stays unresolved," Commissioner Bettman said.

Author:	PatGreen [ Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:43 am ]
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bettman just talked about this: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=6737 ... l:topheads "Obviously we're getting to the point where some decisions are going to have to be made both by the City of Glendale and by us," Commissioner Bettman said. "I haven't set a deadline, but time is getting shorter." "A delay could be a no-decision," Daly said. "A no-decision could be a decision in this case. They understand. There is no misunderstanding with respect to what our timetable is vis-a-vis the City of Glendale. They know what our decision timeline is and what other decisions we have to make. There is no misunderstanding." Commissioner Bettman said there are several markets interested in the Coyotes should the ownership situation not be resolved. He would not name cities, however. "The phone keeps ringing more regularly the longer that the Coyotes situation stays unresolved," Commissioner Bettman said.

Author:	Skyline_BNR34 [ Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:44 pm ]
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No to Quebec City, but yes to Seattle.

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Author:	ironyisadeadscene [ Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:47 pm ]
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seattle doesnt have an arena ready, even temporarily, unless they go to tacoma. and i dont see that happening.

Author:	ironyisadeadscene [ Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:20 pm ]
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ironyisadeadscene wrote: seattle doesnt have an arena ready, even temporarily, unless they go to tacoma. and i dont see that happening. maybe not, mike. because THIS happened. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nhl/ne ... s-sale.ap/ so, they have the framework of a lease agreement in place. however, seattle is now breathing down their neck. http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2 ... ty-council so, i guess the word is key arena will have to work temporarily. but that aside, if glendale and the yotes have the framework of a lease agreement in place, why is this report leaking?

Author:	BlueandYellow [ Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:52 am ]
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A Seattle team would be great. Especially since the U.S needs to get bigger on hockey, changing it from a place with no fans to a place with many fans would help that.

Author:	Vanek_Fanatic_26 [ Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:39 pm ]
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BlueandYellow wrote: A Seattle team would be great. Especially since the U.S needs to get bigger on hockey, changing it from a place with no fans to a place with many fans would help that. Not that we know that a Seattle team would have a lot of NHL fans... At the same time, Seattle lacks a secondary sports market outside of American football. They have the Seattle Sounders, but soccer pales in comparison of popularity to what the NHL or the NBA would bring.

Author:	BlueandYellow [ Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:26 pm ]
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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote: BlueandYellow wrote: A Seattle team would be great. Especially since the U.S needs to get bigger on hockey, changing it from a place with no fans to a place with many fans would help that. Not that we know that a Seattle team would have a lot of NHL fans... At the same time, Seattle lacks a secondary sports market outside of American football. They have the Seattle Sounders, but soccer pales in comparison of popularity to what the NHL or the NBA would bring. They'd have more fans than Phoenix most likely.

Author:	BlueandYellow [ Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:37 pm ]
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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote: BlueandYellow wrote: Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote: BlueandYellow wrote: A Seattle team would be great. Especially since the U.S needs to get bigger on hockey, changing it from a place with no fans to a place with many fans would help that. Not that we know that a Seattle team would have a lot of NHL fans... At the same time, Seattle lacks a secondary sports market outside of American football. They have the Seattle Sounders, but soccer pales in comparison of popularity to what the NHL or the NBA would bring. They'd have more fans than Phoenix most likely. I'm pretty sure any location north of Phoenix (Glendale) would have more fans than that area. I'm pretty sure the arctic would have more fans than Phoenix

Author:	Skyline_BNR34 [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:56 am ]
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Seattle or Portland is what everyone wants basically. Make it happen, keep Phoenix and add two teams to the west like they will eventually do.

Author:	Vanek_Fanatic_26 [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:22 am ]
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Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Seattle or Portland is what everyone wants basically. Make it happen, keep Phoenix and add two teams to the west like they will eventually do. Why keep Phoenix if there is no chance they will ever make any money?

Author:	ironyisadeadscene [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:58 pm ]
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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Seattle or Portland is what everyone wants basically. Make it happen, keep Phoenix and add two teams to the west like they will eventually do. Why keep Phoenix if there is no chance they will ever make any money? i have no idea why they just dont call a loss a loss. but i dont get it.

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Author:	Skyline_BNR34 [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:26 pm ]
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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Seattle or Portland is what everyone wants basically. Make it happen, keep Phoenix and add two teams to the west like they will eventually do. Why keep Phoenix if there is no chance they will ever make any money? Because they are beating around the bush here. IF you're not gonna fold the team or move them in the 4 years you've owned them, they never will.

Author:	Vanek_Fanatic_26 [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:58 am ]
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Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Seattle or Portland is what everyone wants basically. Make it happen, keep Phoenix and add two teams to the west like they will eventually do. Why keep Phoenix if there is no chance they will ever make any money? Because they are beating around the bush here. IF you're not gonna fold the team or move them in the 4 years you've owned them, they never will. I'm pretty sure it's getting pretty close to that. Phoenix is a team that operates in the black, and the only way they can sell tickets is by selling seriously discounted tickets. It's not working and eventually they will leave. It happened in Atlanta.

Author:	Skyline_BNR34 [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:30 pm ]
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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Seattle or Portland is what everyone wants basically. Make it happen, keep Phoenix and add two teams to the west like they will eventually do. Why keep Phoenix if there is no chance they will ever make any money? Because they are beating around the bush here. IF you're not gonna fold the team or move them in the 4 years you've owned them, they never will. I'm pretty sure it's getting pretty close to that. Phoenix is a team that operates in the black, and the only way they can sell tickets is by selling seriously discounted tickets. It's not working and eventually they will leave. It happened in Atlanta. The league never owned Atlanta, and no one even figured Atlanta would get moved first, before Phoenix. At least in Phoenix they have a group that is fighting to keep the team there.

Author:	ironyisadeadscene [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:35 pm ]
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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote: Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Seattle or Portland is what everyone wants basically. Make it happen, keep Phoenix and add two teams to the west like they will eventually do. Why keep Phoenix if there is no chance they will ever make any money? Because they are beating around the bush here. IF you're not gonna fold the team or move them in the 4 years you've owned them, they never will. I'm pretty sure it's getting pretty close to that. Phoenix is a team that operates in the black, and the only way they can sell tickets is by selling seriously discounted tickets. It's not working and eventually they will leave. It happened in Atlanta. i think you mean they operate in the red.