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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:27 am 
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Hypothetically, where could a law breaking man....or woman, go to download musical albums. Mediafire may have become unreliable....hypothetically speaking.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:23 pm 
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You're obviously doing a thesis on file-sharing. Good man!

piratebay.se is the famous Swedish site that the authorities just can't seem to shut down. Users need bittorrent to download, and for most music files you'll need .rar which is just a program that bundles/unbundles multiple files together.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:45 pm 
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isohunt.com hypothetically works for me all the hypothetical time.

hypothetically speaking of course.

(to be fair all I download is 1970's bush-porn, so...)


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:18 pm 
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i still use soulseek. torrents are for tossers and wankers.

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I used to do that shit back in the napster days, but I've changed my mind. I mean, I've always bought music and gone to shows to support artists (I have hundreds of records and CDs), but I did download for a while. I won't preach at you, but I encourage you to look at the letter that David Lowery (Camper Van Beethoven/Cracker), a professor of the economics of the music industry, wrote to NPR's "All Songs Considered" host (can't remember her name) when she announced on the radio she has never paid for an album. The letter is incredible, and will easily sway you if you have any sort of respect for the art of music composing and performance (or it should anyway).


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:33 pm 
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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
i still use soulseek. torrents are for tossers and wankers.



What's a tosser?


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:47 pm 
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a flogging molly rip off band.

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I used to do that shit back in the napster days, but I've changed my mind. I mean, I've always bought music and gone to shows to support artists (I have hundreds of records and CDs), but I did download for a while. I won't preach at you, but I encourage you to look at the letter that David Lowery (Camper Van Beethoven/Cracker), a professor of the economics of the music industry, wrote to NPR's "All Songs Considered" host (can't remember her name) when she announced on the radio she has never paid for an album. The letter is incredible, and will easily sway you if you have any sort of respect for the art of music composing and performance (or it should anyway).

I love CVB/Cracker. I’ve seen them 4 times, and the only other band I’ve seen 4 times is the Stones. David Lowery is a very clever guy.

How can you not love this lyric from him?

”When the end comes to this old world...God won't take the time to sort your ashes from mine”

But he’s an opinionated guy who is usually looking for an argument, and I just don’t agree with him on this one. File sharing allows very fast free exposure for new bands with no music industry intervention. But more importantly, fuck the music industry! They are the only casualty of file sharing, not “the art of music composing”, and they totally deserve the grave they have dug for themselves. The fucking music industry makes Al Capone look like a nun.

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I used to do that shit back in the napster days, but I've changed my mind. I mean, I've always bought music and gone to shows to support artists (I have hundreds of records and CDs), but I did download for a while. I won't preach at you, but I encourage you to look at the letter that David Lowery (Camper Van Beethoven/Cracker), a professor of the economics of the music industry, wrote to NPR's "All Songs Considered" host (can't remember her name) when she announced on the radio she has never paid for an album. The letter is incredible, and will easily sway you if you have any sort of respect for the art of music composing and performance (or it should anyway).


most of the bands i go see insist you download their music because they dont make shit from album sales. shit, the lead singer of bear vs shark gave me a copy of their first album, "right now, youre in the best of hands. and if something isnt quite right, your doctor will know in a hurry." after a show.

best album ever.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:52 pm 
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At a show on Monday, a metal band signed to a major label told the crowd I was in to download their new album if they don't want to buy it. In the last year, a number of bands signed to major labels have come out against lawsuits their labels have brought to persons caught illegally downloading music. Just something I thought I'd share.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:48 am 
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Stuuuuuuu wrote:
I used to do that shit back in the napster days, but I've changed my mind. I mean, I've always bought music and gone to shows to support artists (I have hundreds of records and CDs), but I did download for a while. I won't preach at you, but I encourage you to look at the letter that David Lowery (Camper Van Beethoven/Cracker), a professor of the economics of the music industry, wrote to NPR's "All Songs Considered" host (can't remember her name) when she announced on the radio she has never paid for an album. The letter is incredible, and will easily sway you if you have any sort of respect for the art of music composing and performance (or it should anyway).


I hear you man, and I have always paid for my music. Problem is that a lot of my old cd's have been scratched or misplaced during the dozen or so moves I have made over the last 15 years. Most of what I would be downloading....if I were to hypothetically do so......would be to replace them. I have a couple hundred cd's, who knows how many tapes and a butt load of records. I just want the music I have to be on my Ipod. I have Pandora for the new stuff.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:18 pm 
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Stuuuuuuu wrote:
I used to do that shit back in the napster days, but I've changed my mind. I mean, I've always bought music and gone to shows to support artists (I have hundreds of records and CDs), but I did download for a while. I won't preach at you, but I encourage you to look at the letter that David Lowery (Camper Van Beethoven/Cracker), a professor of the economics of the music industry, wrote to NPR's "All Songs Considered" host (can't remember her name) when she announced on the radio she has never paid for an album. The letter is incredible, and will easily sway you if you have any sort of respect for the art of music composing and performance (or it should anyway).


I hear you man, and I have always paid for my music. Problem is that a lot of my old cd's have been scratched or misplaced during the dozen or so moves I have made over the last 15 years. Most of what I would be downloading....if I were to hypothetically do so......would be to replace them. I have a couple hundred cd's, who knows how many tapes and a butt load of records. I just want the music I have to be on my Ipod. I have Pandora for the new stuff.

This is OK with me. You buy it once, I think you should be able to make as many copies for personal use as you want, including in the event it degrades.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:22 pm 
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As for the other arguments about the industry taking all the proceeds from recordings, I used to think that way too. If a band wants to give away their music as a promotion, then more power to them. But if you'd like to know what changed my mind, please read this:

http://thetrichordist.com/2012/06/18/le ... onsidered/

Lowery addresses the things that bagboy, phil, and mike have mentioned specifically, as well as many of the other arguments/justifications you hear for downloading. Please read it.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:29 pm 
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This is the most extreme effect of downloading that DL points out in the letter. It is just one of many points though:

"On a personal level, I have witnessed the impoverishment of many critically acclaimed but marginally commercial artists. In particular, two dear friends: Mark Linkous (Sparklehorse) and Vic Chesnutt. Both of these artists, despite growing global popularity, saw their total incomes fall in the last decade. There is no other explanation except for the fact that “fans” made the unethical choice to take their music without compensating these artists.

Shortly before Christmas 2009, Vic took his life. He was my neighbor, and I was there as they put him in the ambulance. On March 6th, 2010, Mark Linkous shot himself in the heart. Anybody who knew either of these musicians will tell you that the pair suffered depression. They will also tell you their situation was worsened by their financial situation. Vic was deeply in debt to hospitals and, at the time, was publicly complaining about losing his home. Mark was living in abject squalor in his remote studio in the Smokey Mountains without adequate access to the mental health care he so desperately needed.

I present these two stories to you not because I’m pointing fingers or want to shame you. I just want to illustrate that “small” personal decisions have very real consequences, particularly when millions of people make the decision not to compensate artists they supposedly “love”. And it is up to us individually to examine the consequences of our actions. It is not up to governments or corporations to make us choose to behave ethically. We have to do that ourselves."


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:30 pm 
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Stuuuuuuu wrote:
This is OK with me. You buy it once, I think you should be able to make as many copies for personal use as you want, including in the event it degrades.


You've had that ability for what, 15+ years now?

If I can buy music directly from the artist, I'll do that. Yes, the record industry is a corrupt pile of shit that screws artists, and I hate giving them money. However, the artist getting SOME money via a record company is better than them getting nothing if I torrent it.

The only time I torrent anything now is if my original physical recording is too jacked to convert to digital. Even then, sometimes I just pay for it again.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:42 pm 
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Squanto wrote:

If I can buy music directly from the artist, I'll do that. Yes, the record industry is a corrupt pile of shit that screws artists, and I hate giving them money. However, the artist getting SOME money via a record company is better than them getting nothing if I torrent it.


Boom.


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mechaphil wrote:
At a show on Monday, a metal band signed to a major label told the crowd I was in to download their new album if they don't want to buy it. In the last year, a number of bands signed to major labels have come out against lawsuits their labels have brought to persons caught illegally downloading music. Just something I thought I'd share.


"this next song is on our latest album, full collapse. its available at our merch booth, or on the internet thingy if you dont have any money. this songs called cross out the eyes."

geoff rickly of thursday.

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True story, I work with Andrew from Thursday.

I very rarely torrent any more. I absolutely guarantee that if a band is on Bandcamp, I will buy their stuff. It's my favorite method of digitally acquiring music.

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