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mechaphil
 Post subject: Re: NFL lockout thread
PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:38 pm 
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What does it mean that the NFLPA is ready to file papers to decertify. I'm not on the up and up here.

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mechaphil wrote:
What does it mean that the NFLPA is ready to file papers to decertify. I'm not on the up and up here.


the union no longer exists as a union, i think.

NFLPA just said significant differences remain.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:51 pm 
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mechaphil wrote:
What does it mean that the NFLPA is ready to file papers to decertify. I'm not on the up and up here.


If I got it right... the union no longer exists, which puts the players as indivduals and put the owners in violation of anti-trust stuff, which the "union" would than have players (Brady, Manning, Breese, already lined up) to sue the owners... of course the owners will say the the union's de-certifaction is a sham .... and round and round they will go into one big legal clusterfuck....

oh well... at least I have hockey, the sabres and a shiny new owner....

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from the page back and a post i put up that is way to long for anyones good....

What is decertification?
Decertification occurs when employees formally revoke the authority of their union to engage in collective bargaining on their behalf. In other words, decertification dissolves the union (a related concept is the "disclaimer of interest," where the union formally terminates its right to represent the players).

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and some more decertifaction crap from that post thats to long for anyones good...

What is the process for decertification?
There are multiple steps to decertification. First, at least 30 percent of the players must sign a petition stating that they no longer want the NFLPA to represent them as a union (this process began several months ago). Second, the petition must be filed with the NLRB. The NLRB must verify the petition and then schedule an election. The union is decertified if at least 50 percent of the voting players opt for decertification.

Why would the players break up their own union?
The players would use decertification as a means to end. The end is the ability to bring an antitrust lawsuit against the NFL challenging all of the rules that they have in place that restrict a player's ability to make money or otherwise impact the players working conditions. For example, the players could challenge the NFL's salary cap, the player draft, franchise tags and other player and free agency restrictions.

Why do the players have to break up their union to bring an antitrust suit?
Here's the short version (for the even shorter version, skip to the next paragraph): Because of a doctrine known as the "non-statutory labor exemption." This exemption protects the product of collective bargaining from attack under antitrust law. Thus, any terms of the collective bargaining agreement are immunized from attack under antitrust law. But, the exemption extends beyond just the terms of an actual agreement -- the Supreme Court has held that the exemption applies, even in the absence of a current collective bargaining agreement, as long as a bargaining relationship still exists.
Essentially, players are required to choose labor law (and collective bargaining) or antitrust law (and individual bargaining and litigation). If the players choose labor law, an antitrust shield is raised that prevents them from attacking NFL rules under the antitrust laws. To lower the shield and choose antitrust law, the players must end the collective bargaining relationship. Decertification is how the players surrender their collective bargaining rights and choose antitrust law instead of labor law.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:06 pm 
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Ready to file the papers is a thing of the past now...SI is saying the decertification papers have been filed.

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this wont get settled till september at the absolute earliest. no season.

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http://nfllabor.com/2011/03/11/nfl-statement/

From the league. Will post the NFLPA's statement when it's issued.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:49 pm 
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This is what the NFLPA's site looks like right now...

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gr8daygo wrote:
Essentially, players are required to choose labor law (and collective bargaining) or antitrust law (and individual bargaining and litigation).

This should be the end of it right there. If they had to CHOOSE, why can they still HAVE both?? I hope any judges consider this. These fuckers want to have their cake, AND eat it too. Clearly a loophole.

Anyways, these owners still have mad money, and will just invest it elsewhere. The players will now have the option of going on tv, where no one wants to hear a word they have to say, or flip burgers. Fuck them. When your boss is taking good care of you, you don't shit on him. Looks like Jason Taylor will be the only one with a job on dancing with the stars. The rest of them can go back to slingin dope, and clubbin.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:06 pm 
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There is no lock out yet. The owners can lock the players out, but haven't yet. The union is decertified and is now some professional trade association and 10 players plan to lead the law suit to be brought against the NFL and Owners. Basically a court now decides what happens.

As for the draft. The only thing that can get traded are draft picks. Players cannot be signed even undrafted free agents. if nothing is reached no OTAs and then on

It's Still Billionaires VS Millionaires with the fans getting screwed.

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the lockout begins at 12:00 saturday morning.

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Did Judge Doty decide that free agency begins at midnight?

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Did Judge Doty decide that free agency begins at midnight?


which is what confuses me. i guess he did.. but the lockout is supposed to as well.

its all pretty confusing.

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I know what to do with your 9 billion dollar pie. Cut tickets, parking, and concessions in half. That's what the judge should tell them. All the politicians crying broke, broke, broke, and these ass clowns are so greedy they'd cut their noses off to spite their faces. I hope their PR people told them how your average joe is gonna view this. The fans clearly don't deserve this. I think this is the kinda dumb shit Charlie Sheen rants about, where he makes more sense than the "sane" people.


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What about the drafts then. I know the 2011 draft will be the same order but how will they do the 2012 draft then.

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