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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
Stuuuuuuu wrote:
Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
Eric Fehr barely scores barely 20 points a year. Brouwer gets around 30-40. Hamill has 4 points, 20 games over 3 seasons and is essentially out of the NHL. Neither Kozun nor Vey have played in the NHL.
So yeah, that's barely any. Scoring the most in any junior league means absolutely nothing.
You're right about Vey and Kozun, but the others...? Your question was how many have even made the NHL, not how much they scored there. Don't change your question once you get an answer that doesn't fit your theory. That's 3 top scorers in 6 seasons, which is 50%. That's not "barely any" by anyone's standards.
Yes, scoring isn't everything, but why did Mackinnon and Drouin and Jones get picked where they did? Because of what they did in juniors! You can't use that for them then ignore the results of other players. Juniors aren't everything, but they certainly mean a ton in drafting.
If your benchmark is "they've played in the NHL" or "they're on an 'NHL' roster," then yeah, I guess you're right. But you're acting as if the players the Sabres picked have no chance at becoming good NHL players because they didn't lead their league in points, or didn't lead the league in wins. We don't even know yet, but leading the WHL in points doesn't mean a 2nd round player is going to be good, nor does it mean they're going to be an NHL player.
I've watched Petan for two years. He got a lot of those points because he played with Rattie and Leipsic this year, but he manufactured a lot of them too. In the Mem Cup championship game he had a goal and 3 assists. I'm not basing that prediction purely on numbers. With Fucale, I've only seen him play at the Mem Cup, but I was impressed and those numbers didn't just happen because of Mackinnon and Drouin. He had to play well, like Fleury did in the 09' playoffs when he had a great team in front. This year Fleury had arguably an even better team in front of him and he didn't play well, so they lost. Wins and loses are not everything, but they are they most important thing.
The year the Pens won the Cup, they had an outstanding defense. Only two players remain from that defense (Kris Letang and Brooks Orpik) and the signings the Penguins have made since then have all busted (Paul Martin, Zybnek Michalek).
Patrice Bergeron, arguably the best defensive center in the NHL, came out of the offensive QMJHL with just 73 points in 70 games (yes, I say just. This is the QMJHL.)
Johnathan Toews was a 3rd overall pick who came out of UND. He's been one of the best two-way centers since entering the league.
You can find good players from any point of the draft from any program, and they aren't stat leaders, league-leaders, but are still amazing NHL players. You're pissed off about 2nd-round picks, here. There's a reason Petan was a second round pick. I'm sure he'll be a good player, but he's pretty small, and seems to need the help of stellar linemates. The Sabres have plenty of small on their roster.
All 5 players the Sabres took in the 1st 2 rounds were players rated in the top 60 of their age group, including Justin Bailey, who they passed in the 2nd round twice before taking him. I don't think they took him for the Williamsville connection, but I'm sure they looked at him a little more because of that.
I guess really what I'm saying is I don't see a reason to be pissed the Sabres didn't take a guy in the 2nd round. More than 2/3 of them will never see the NHL, unless this draft is truly like the 2003 draft.
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