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BlueandYellow
PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:53 pm 
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And how was this thread racist at all? If someone says something about George Bush, it's thought of as funny. But if ANYTHING negative is said against Obama it's racist. We are all equal. It's not like someone can't say a negative thing about Obama. It's not a racial thing it's the thought of him not doing a good job. Many other presidents didn't do a good job either (not saying Obama isn't doing a good job just an example). I have been called a racist many times for even THINKING Obama isn't doing the best job.

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...if ANYTHING negative is said against Obama it's racist.

Who called anyone a racist here for criticizing Obama? It was Cross who played the race card. If anything Obama consistently downplays race. Yes, Jimmy Carter said some of the hatred toward Obama is racist ("When a radical fringe element of demonstrators and others begin to attack the president of the United States as an animal or as a reincarnation of Adolf Hitler or when they wave signs in the air that said we should have buried Obama with Kennedy, those kinds of things are beyond the bounds...I think people who are guilty of that kind of personal attack against Obama have been influenced to a major degree by a belief that he should not be president because he happens to be African American. It's a racist attitude."), but Obama responded by saying he did not think that race was a major factor. I think that is pretty damn generous of the president and agree with Carter's statement.

We certainly have an interesting situation now where white men are the ones being overly sensitive to race. Poor, oppressed white guys. Are there people in America who think that all criticizism of Obama is racist? No doubt. So what? There are also people who think Tupac is still alive, that the sun goes around the earth, and, according to a recent poll, a quarter of all Republicans think Obama is the anti-christ.

Hopefully, nobody here falls into any of those categories and certainly nobody here has called Obama critics racist, so just chill out white guys.

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according to a recent poll, a quarter of all Republicans Americans think Obama is the anti-christ.

Still misquoting that poll eh?

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according to a recent poll, a quarter of all Republicans Americans think Obama is the anti-christ.

No, but you are welcome to check the Harris website yourself.

...fully 24% of Republicans believe that "he may be the Anti-Christ" and 22% believe "he wants the terrorists to win."

http://news.harrisinteractive.com/profi ... egory=1777

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ok, I was wrong, but you should also point to the 6% of Democrats and 13% of Independents that think he's the anti-christ.

I bet those numbers would have been reversed but no one had the idea to perform such a ridiculous poll when GWB was in office.

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Godzilla1960 wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
...if ANYTHING negative is said against Obama it's racist.

Who called anyone a racist here for criticizing Obama? It was Cross who played the race card. If anything Obama consistently downplays race. Yes, Jimmy Carter said some of the hatred toward Obama is racist ("When a radical fringe element of demonstrators and others begin to attack the president of the United States as an animal or as a reincarnation of Adolf Hitler or when they wave signs in the air that said we should have buried Obama with Kennedy, those kinds of things are beyond the bounds...I think people who are guilty of that kind of personal attack against Obama have been influenced to a major degree by a belief that he should not be president because he happens to be African American. It's a racist attitude."), but Obama responded by saying he did not think that race was a major factor. I think that is pretty damn generous of the president and agree with Carter's statement.

We certainly have an interesting situation now where white men are the ones being overly sensitive to race. Poor, oppressed white guys. Are there people in America who think that all criticizism of Obama is racist? No doubt. So what? There are also people who think Tupac is still alive, that the sun goes around the earth, and, according to a recent poll, a quarter of all Republicans think Obama is the anti-christ.

Hopefully, nobody here falls into any of those categories and certainly nobody here has called Obama critics racist, so just chill out white guys.


Not you guys. Many people play that card. Let's just get rid of this dangerous topic.

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Godzilla1960 wrote:
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according to a recent poll, a quarter of all Republicans Americans think Obama is the anti-christ.

No, but you are welcome to check the Harris website yourself.

...fully 24% of Republicans believe that "he may be the Anti-Christ" and 22% believe "he wants the terrorists to win."

http://news.harrisinteractive.com/profi ... egory=1777


And 54% of them chose...?

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Well probably around 40% of my students think I'm the anti-Christ, and I still have a job, so Obama's not doing that bad considering.
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Well probably around 40% of my students think I'm the anti-Christ, and I still have a job, so Obama's not doing that bad considering.

Well the difference being your students don't have the opportunity to vote to fire you...luckily for you ;)

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Godzilla1960 wrote:
From the article: ..."people don't understand what socialism is."

That certainly is true.

But, then again most people don't know what the words liberal or conservative mean either. Americans see politics as a sport and don't really bother with ideas. Name calling and mudslinging are more the order of the day.



Quick find the bruin fans and start calling them assholes ;) hahahahahaha

But sadly. this is true.

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On the issue of economics, the Socialist Party of the USA's platforms states:

1. We demand the immediate withdrawal of the United States from the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), and oppose the creation of a widened Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA).

2. We call for worker and community ownership and control of corporations within the framework of a decentralized and democratically determined economic plan.

3. We call for a minimum wage of $15 per hour, indexed to the cost of living.

4. We call for a full employment policy. We support the provision of a livable guaranteed annual income.

5. We call for all financial and insurance institutions to be socially owned and operated by a democratically-controlled national banking authority, which should include credit unions, mutual insurance cooperatives, and cooperative state banks. In the meantime, we call for re-regulation of the banking and insurance industries.

6. We call for a steeply graduated income tax and a steeply graduated estate tax, and a maximum income of no more than ten times the minimum. We oppose regressive taxes such as payroll tax, sales tax, and property taxes.

7. We call for the restoration of the capital gains tax and luxury tax on a progressive, graduated scale.

8. We call for compensation to communities-- and compensation, re-training, and other support service for workers-- affected by plant and military base closings as stop-gap measures until we reach our goal of creating a socialist society totally separate from the global capitalist economy.

9. We oppose the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, and the World Trade Organization as instruments of capitalist oppression throughout the world.

10. We demand cancellation of Third World debt.

11. We call for a National Pension Authority to hold the assets of private pension funds, and a levy against corporate assets for any pension fund deficits.

12. We call for increased and expanded welfare assistance and increased and expanded unemployment compensation at 100% of a worker's previous income or the minimum wage, whichever is higher, for the full period of unemployment or re-training, whichever is longer.

13. We support a program of massive federal investment in both urban and rural areas for infrastructure reconstruction and economic development.

14. We support tax benefits for renters equal to those for homeowners.

15. We call for the elimination of subsidies and tax breaks that benefit corporations and all other forms of corporate welfare.

http://socialistparty-usa.org/platform/economics.html

Now, I could be wrong, but I don't think there is a single thing on that list Obama supports, but I'll bet there are one or two things you would agree with, Cross (NAFTA?).

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Well probably around 40% of my students think I'm the anti-Christ, and I still have a job, so Obama's not doing that bad considering.


"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. 14% of people know that." - Homer Simpson

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I can not work and still earn 100% of my previous salary? Where do I sign up?

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Godzilla1960 wrote:
On the issue of economics, the Socialist Party of the USA's platforms states:

1. We demand the immediate withdrawal of the United States from the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), and oppose the creation of a widened Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA).

2. We call for worker and community ownership and control of corporations within the framework of a decentralized and democratically determined economic plan.

3. We call for a minimum wage of $15 per hour, indexed to the cost of living.

4. We call for a full employment policy. We support the provision of a livable guaranteed annual income.

5. We call for all financial and insurance institutions to be socially owned and operated by a democratically-controlled national banking authority, which should include credit unions, mutual insurance cooperatives, and cooperative state banks. In the meantime, we call for re-regulation of the banking and insurance industries.

6. We call for a steeply graduated income tax and a steeply graduated estate tax, and a maximum income of no more than ten times the minimum. We oppose regressive taxes such as payroll tax, sales tax, and property taxes.

7. We call for the restoration of the capital gains tax and luxury tax on a progressive, graduated scale.

8. We call for compensation to communities-- and compensation, re-training, and other support service for workers-- affected by plant and military base closings as stop-gap measures until we reach our goal of creating a socialist society totally separate from the global capitalist economy.

9. We oppose the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, and the World Trade Organization as instruments of capitalist oppression throughout the world.

10. We demand cancellation of Third World debt.

11. We call for a National Pension Authority to hold the assets of private pension funds, and a levy against corporate assets for any pension fund deficits.

12. We call for increased and expanded welfare assistance and increased and expanded unemployment compensation at 100% of a worker's previous income or the minimum wage, whichever is higher, for the full period of unemployment or re-training, whichever is longer.

13. We support a program of massive federal investment in both urban and rural areas for infrastructure reconstruction and economic development.

14. We support tax benefits for renters equal to those for homeowners.

15. We call for the elimination of subsidies and tax breaks that benefit corporations and all other forms of corporate welfare.

http://socialistparty-usa.org/platform/economics.html

Now, I could be wrong, but I don't think there is a single thing on that list Obama supports, but I'll bet there are one or two things you would agree with, Cross (NAFTA?).


I'm just stumped. What magical pot of money are they picking from? And the best can only be ten times the worst? Go and fuck yourselves. Thank you, and have a nice day.

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Godzilla1960 wrote:
On the issue of economics, the Socialist Party of the USA's platforms states:

1. We demand the immediate withdrawal of the United States from the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), and oppose the creation of a widened Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA).

2. We call for worker and community ownership and control of corporations within the framework of a decentralized and democratically determined economic plan.

3. We call for a minimum wage of $15 per hour, indexed to the cost of living.

4. We call for a full employment policy. We support the provision of a livable guaranteed annual income.

5. We call for all financial and insurance institutions to be socially owned and operated by a democratically-controlled national banking authority, which should include credit unions, mutual insurance cooperatives, and cooperative state banks. In the meantime, we call for re-regulation of the banking and insurance industries.

6. We call for a steeply graduated income tax and a steeply graduated estate tax, and a maximum income of no more than ten times the minimum. We oppose regressive taxes such as payroll tax, sales tax, and property taxes.

7. We call for the restoration of the capital gains tax and luxury tax on a progressive, graduated scale.

8. We call for compensation to communities-- and compensation, re-training, and other support service for workers-- affected by plant and military base closings as stop-gap measures until we reach our goal of creating a socialist society totally separate from the global capitalist economy.

9. We oppose the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, and the World Trade Organization as instruments of capitalist oppression throughout the world.

10. We demand cancellation of Third World debt.

11. We call for a National Pension Authority to hold the assets of private pension funds, and a levy against corporate assets for any pension fund deficits.

12. We call for increased and expanded welfare assistance and increased and expanded unemployment compensation at 100% of a worker's previous income or the minimum wage, whichever is higher, for the full period of unemployment or re-training, whichever is longer.

13. We support a program of massive federal investment in both urban and rural areas for infrastructure reconstruction and economic development.

14. We support tax benefits for renters equal to those for homeowners.

15. We call for the elimination of subsidies and tax breaks that benefit corporations and all other forms of corporate welfare.

http://socialistparty-usa.org/platform/economics.html

Now, I could be wrong, but I don't think there is a single thing on that list Obama supports, but I'll bet there are one or two things you would agree with, Cross (NAFTA?).


It must be so nice in fantasy land where everyone is equal! Fact is, everyone is NOT equal. Everyone is allowed equal rights and opportunity under the law (which I adamantly support), but until we stop living in this world where "I deserve this because you have it" this country will continue to slide backwards. We are not able to have this discussion because our ancestors were given handouts, welfare, food stamps and subsidized housing. We are able to have this conversation because our ancestors worked their goddamned fuckin asses off to make a better life for their children and sacrificed anything and everything they could to make this possible. They didn't have ten kids and then sit at home and ask their neighbors to pay their way. They went out and PAID THERE OWN GODDAMNED WAY. LEARN SOMETHING PEOPLE ( NOT SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED AT YOU ZILLA)

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HelloMyKneeGrows wrote:
Godzilla1960 wrote:
On the issue of economics, the Socialist Party of the USA's platforms states:

1. We demand the immediate withdrawal of the United States from the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), and oppose the creation of a widened Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA).

2. We call for worker and community ownership and control of corporations within the framework of a decentralized and democratically determined economic plan.

3. We call for a minimum wage of $15 per hour, indexed to the cost of living.

4. We call for a full employment policy. We support the provision of a livable guaranteed annual income.

5. We call for all financial and insurance institutions to be socially owned and operated by a democratically-controlled national banking authority, which should include credit unions, mutual insurance cooperatives, and cooperative state banks. In the meantime, we call for re-regulation of the banking and insurance industries.

6. We call for a steeply graduated income tax and a steeply graduated estate tax, and a maximum income of no more than ten times the minimum. We oppose regressive taxes such as payroll tax, sales tax, and property taxes.

7. We call for the restoration of the capital gains tax and luxury tax on a progressive, graduated scale.

8. We call for compensation to communities-- and compensation, re-training, and other support service for workers-- affected by plant and military base closings as stop-gap measures until we reach our goal of creating a socialist society totally separate from the global capitalist economy.

9. We oppose the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, and the World Trade Organization as instruments of capitalist oppression throughout the world.

10. We demand cancellation of Third World debt.

11. We call for a National Pension Authority to hold the assets of private pension funds, and a levy against corporate assets for any pension fund deficits.

12. We call for increased and expanded welfare assistance and increased and expanded unemployment compensation at 100% of a worker's previous income or the minimum wage, whichever is higher, for the full period of unemployment or re-training, whichever is longer.

13. We support a program of massive federal investment in both urban and rural areas for infrastructure reconstruction and economic development.

14. We support tax benefits for renters equal to those for homeowners.

15. We call for the elimination of subsidies and tax breaks that benefit corporations and all other forms of corporate welfare.

http://socialistparty-usa.org/platform/economics.html

Now, I could be wrong, but I don't think there is a single thing on that list Obama supports, but I'll bet there are one or two things you would agree with, Cross (NAFTA?).


It must be so nice in fantasy land where everyone is equal! Fact is, everyone is NOT equal. Everyone is allowed equal rights and opportunity under the law (which I adamantly support), but until we stop living in this world where "I deserve this because you have it" this country will continue to slide backwards. We are not able to have this discussion because our ancestors were given handouts, welfare, food stamps and subsidized housing. We are able to have this conversation because our ancestors worked their goddamned fuckin asses off to make a better life for their children and sacrificed anything and everything they could to make this possible. They didn't have ten kids and then sit at home and ask their neighbors to pay their way. They went out and PAID THERE OWN GODDAMNED WAY. LEARN SOMETHING PEOPLE ( NOT SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED AT YOU ZILLA)

Without having spent 7 years in the Marine Corps, I would *NOT* have the job I do now. For sure. I also wouldn't be able to be in school right now.

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Without having spent 7 years in the Marine Corps, I would *NOT* have the job I do now. For sure. I also wouldn't be able to be in school right now.

So that government job worked out ok for you, eh? ;)

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Godzilla1960 wrote:
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Without having spent 7 years in the Marine Corps, I would *NOT* have the job I do now. For sure. I also wouldn't be able to be in school right now.

So that government job worked out ok for you, eh? ;)

Any opportunity will work out. I worked for McDonalds in high school, and worked hard. I was on time, and did my job. I helped out everywhere I could, and before I graduated, they asked me if I was interested in their management program.

I'm not going to fall into your 'government job' trap - I see what you did there. ;)

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