dontbethatguy wrote:
slesh wrote:
Actually dontbethatguy, you are correct. The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, therefore they caught the brunt of the internment policy. (And Japan was not the first nation in WWII to attack the U.S., Germany was, a U-Boat sand the USS Ruebin James in the North Atlantic earlier in 1941). But the attack on Pearl Harbour was much more dramitic.
With that said, I never said the policy was flawed in WWII or even fair, but it was necessary none the less.
Its the lesser of two evils. Every nation should protect itself, I mean, lets be somewhat realistic here.
There have been two specific policies which brought such hatred to us directly anyways.
1. Support for Isreal
2. Manipulation of Middle Eastern and North African governments in order to secure oil supplies.
The U.S. government is not perfect, and we have done our fair share of killing globally, but hey, its a dog eat dog world, survival of the fittest and only the strong survive. It is what it is I'm afraid.
I mean lets be honest, if people were really and I mean really against the policy of blood for oil, would they not stop buying products that oil was a part of, or eat the food that petro-chemicals grow?
Since this is not going to happen, and we are in a struggle for the most valuable resource on the planet, then the appropriate actions need to be implemented to minimize risk in this nation.
With all of this said, all that I have experienced, I firmly stand behind the policy of removing them from society at large until the resolution of the conflict or remove them from the country, all in an order to minimize risk.
I get what you're saying but I still stand by not persecuting the innocent.
I can't address some of what you said here but I'm interested in hearing what you would do with white supremacists and leftist militant groups in the US.
Dontbethatguy, I hear ya, loud and clear, and I pray and hope, really I do, that all of this madness will listen to those that use reason in an attempt to stem or stop the acts of aggression against the innocent. But thats not going to happen, and we, as a species has not evolved at all since the turn of the 20th century. We continue to kill one another at a rapid pace, so the real question becomes, live or die. I choose to live and in making this choice I fully realize I will have to take innocent lives, not on purpose, but in the cross fire.
I will never say what I am about to say again, but just so you know, yes you, I will tell you just a little of what I know. I was put in harms way to secure the oil supplies for this great nation. I never did believe nor do I now believe in the case for WMD's. I was on the search teams, so I know. I survived, and the rounds I fired in my men's and my defense from time to time did find women and children as a target. Not intentionally mind you, but collatarel damage, and ya know something Dontbethatguy. I would do it again.
I know that is scary to you, myself and my men alone carry the burden of what we did, and thousands more like us in the US military, but there is a larger picture to look at here. I hate Bush for not being truthful to us, the ones who have born the burden of battle, my unit, 517th, 2nd Batallion, Bravo company, I lost 4 men under my command, another 7 wounded in 3 tours in Iraq.
Was it for oil? Yes. Did it enrich certain corporations? Yes. I stood on the loading docks in Basra, 8 out of 10 tankers were going to China, so it did not come directly to the U.S.
But here is the important thing to remember, our ancestors, those that came before us have built this economy, if we falter on oil, the economy would collapse to such an extent that the 500,000 to 1 million lives lost to this battle would pale in camparison to the millions that would die in a situation that shuts down the economy. Peak oil is upon us. I've stood in the oil fields, hell, my unit guarded them, more wells are being capped and not alot of drilling going on if ya know what I mean.
What does all this mean? It means that the reason the global population went from 1.4 billion (roughly) in 1850 to 6.7 billion in 2005 was a direct result of "Petro-chemical" fertilizers that directly increased food production x1000. Without it, what do we do to save those millions, thats right, millions, that would surely starve otherwise?
Much to investigate here, much to learn about. Its a fragile world we live in, and quite frankly, I have seen how humans treat one another when its a do or die situation. I prefer my children and myself remain the strong and live.
I have nothing but respect for you and other Americans that serve in the military. I fully understand that in war innocent civilian dies. On a battlefield innocent people are caught between the crossfire and die. I'm not talking about that at all.
I'm talking about rounding innocent Americans up or profiling an entire group because a small population of them commit violent acts. That is not survival of the fittest. It's injustice.
Not to be a dick but in the past couple of years globally there has been a major food shortage. Riots broke out in countries like Haiti because the people were starving. They are still starving today. I'm in no way trying to take away from what you did in Iraq. I'm trying to point out that there are so many factors in this world that save millions and kill millions in an instant.
Which leads me to this: I'm not an ends justify the means kind of guy. Nor do I prescribe to the Darwinian view on life, survival of the fittest. Don't get me wrong, I'm not an idealist that believes if we all play nice everything would work out fine. I fully believe that there are people in this world that no amount of talking to will work to avoid conflict. When you encounter those people, you better be prepared to fight.
We seem to agree that innocent people being persecuted is not right. We also seem to agree that it happens. Where we differ is in where we go from there. Like you, I don't want to be apart of the minority that gets kicked around.
I see a lot of the anti-immigrant rhetoric in this country and the way Muslims are treated. I'm Korean, born in the South, but that means absolutely nothing to the vast majority of Americans. In my experience, most Americans I've come in contact with, regardless of race or creed, think that the North and South Koreas are one in the same. So if North Korea ever went to war with the US or it's allies I have a good idea of what to expect. I'd rather fight that intolerance now before the day comes when it's at my door step.
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