well, fair enough adam. im not against it, i just hate stoners who insist and push their agenda on me. no, im not saying you or this topic.

i, personally dont smoke because, a, it makes me feel like shit, b, it wasnt my bag, and c, im 25. too old to be doing that shit.

however, ive had this huge desire to get fucked up on extacy, but it wont happen.

and your next post, talking about your roommate. youll notice i didnt blame the drug entirely, but it seemed to really bring that out. hes one case in many. but you also cant deny it had SOMETHING to do with his sudden change. i also pointed out my other roommate who smokes bongs like 4 times a day, and how great a student he was.

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Good points.

I just don't want people to feel like I'm forcing any agenda, because my intentions aren't motivated by personal desires, as it's highly unlikely that we'll see it happen in my lifetime anyways.

My point is that if people would just be more open about this -- and a lot of other issues -- we could get so much more done as a nation.

Pot was a vice that contributed to your friend losing his way. But ultimately, it was a personality and responsibility disorder that really caused his crash.

If it wasn't going to be pot, it just as easily could have been anything else that made him lose focus.

When you're close to someone who goes through a situation like that, I find it difficult to be more open to the subject; not just on drugs, but any negative personal experience.

As an advocate for these beliefs, I'm sure you can understand how frustrating it is for me when I'm stereotyped. So it really goes both ways.

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completely understandable. maybe ill take my leave from this thread, as i, well, dont know what the fuck im talking about as much as i thought i did.

and yes, my room mate fucked himself, just the pot didnt help. i hate when people lean on a crutch for losing control of themselves.

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All I have to say is, marijuana is less harmful to the body than Alcohol, and we have alcohol everywhere... so... all I have to say is why not? But the only bad thing is about legallizing it is that people who do use it will only try to get a bigger high everytime they use it, so they could put themselves in danger, but Alcohol is more dangerous... but ya thats all I have to say.

And if anyone questions my point, I got it from my Criminal Justice teacher who happens to be a Rochester Police Officer so ya. Just saying in case anyone wants to know what my source is.

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"It's not a war on drugs, its a war on personal freedom" -- Bill Hicks

And rutledge... The vice-busters aren't exactly the most objective in this argument. I can get my hands on pot quicker than I can alcohol -- It's that easy, and I don't choose to get higher and higher by the day. I don't think I've smoked pot since October?

Increased availability really is no issue

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When I was a boy I spoke as a boy, I understood as a boy, and I thought as a boy; when I became a man I took that boy outside and shot him.

Nice one irony, keep it that way basically. X may give you one of the best feelings in the world, but if you take one that makes you throw up, you'll have a terrible time with it, and there isn't much of a point unless you are in a rave club, because glow-sticks and rave music are a must.

And the whole cannabis thing, if more people were on it, the world would be soooooo much better. just because who would want to go to war with anyone while blazed?

It relaxes you so much, and you're so chill. At least there wouldn't be wars.

I don't care if it was legal or not, I can get my hands on it easily, or any other drug I would want, which I don't do drugs everyday or anything as I'm not a retard.

I didn't watch the video, but may take a look at it soon.

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I think Marijuana is legal, actually. You just need a stamp to possess it. I wrote an extensive paper on the legality/illegality of marijuana in college. If I have time maybe I'll try to put something together, but if ya wanna do some quick and very interesting research, check out this guy: Harry Anslinger. Toolus Maximus.

Being a botanist I have a scientific/naturalistic view of this topic.

You realize we're talking about a plant, right? It's not some pharmaceutical, it isnt brewed and concocted, it isnt processed or refined...it's just a plant growing in soil. Does it not strike anyone else as extremely odd that we've criminalized something as natural and pre-dating-us as a PLANT?

Other "Drugs" made from plants are all processed, they are refined to boost levels of certain compounds, they are TURNED into powerful narcotics. Coke, Heroin...both plant based at first but then processed to their current harmful state. Weed just grows, and is dried and smoked. It is totally natural.

Look at many pharmaceuticals, liquor, massively engineered-for-potency cigarrettes, these things KILL US, thousands of us everyday, there is a very valid case to have these scourges on our society banned, yet the subject never comes up (besides cigarettes sometimes), yet we've had marijuana criminalized for freaking ever.

As to the example of the kid who started smoking and was kicked out of school, I'm sure anyone with such a weak ability for the responsibilities of life would find MANY things to trip on in the course of growing up, the distraction of marijuana was probably just one that you got to witness.

Interesting point.

Ham

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