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Godzilla1960
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:40 pm 
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Rudy Giuliani, in criticizing President Obama said, "We had no domestic attacks under Bush. We've had one under Obama."

"America's mayor" shows that he not only is willing to use terrorism for partisan political gain (we knew that - he's a Republican), but that he has no recollection of recent history.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100109/ap_ ... m_giuliani

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He was obviously referring to post 9/11, which he went on record and clarified for folks that couldn't pick up on that.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2010/01 ... pdate.html

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Crosscheck wrote:
He was obviously referring to post 9/11, which he went on record and clarified for folks that couldn't pick up on that.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2010/01 ... pdate.html

Actually what he was doing was using terrorist attacks as a partisan wedge issue and he should be ashamed. The GOP would have been screaming that Democrats were anti-American if they had done anything similar so soon after an attack or attempted attack.

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Godzilla1960 wrote:
Actually what he was doing was using terrorist attacks as a partisan wedge issue and he should be ashamed.

He's been doing exactly that since, oh, 2003.
Why the outrage now?

/for the record I'm not a Giuliani fan

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Crosscheck wrote:
Godzilla1960 wrote:
Actually what he was doing was using terrorist attacks as a partisan wedge issue and he should be ashamed.

He's been doing exactly that since, oh, 2003.
Why the outrage now?

/for the record I'm not a Giuliani fan

It is kind of an ongoing thing.

I know this is going to be a brutal year for politics and I'm not looking forward to it, especially after the SC hands down its ruling opening up the coffers to virtually unlimited spending on attack ads.

This isn't the kind of political system I want, no matter which party is in the majority.

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I still blame 24 hour cable news.
You know what gets the best ratings? Hyper-partisans screaming hyperbole at each other.

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Crosscheck wrote:
I still blame 24 hour cable news.
You know what gets the best ratings? Hyper-partisans screaming hyperbole at each other.

Absolutely right. It is cheaper to hire bloviating talking heads who spew half-baked opinions rather than real reporters who have to do the hard work of investigating and reporting news.

I know that it is impossible to be completely objective when reporting news, but I am disappointed that so many "news" organizations have given up even trying to.

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Godzilla1960 wrote:
I know that it is impossible to be completely objective when reporting news, but I am disappointed that so many "news" organizations have given up even trying to.[/color]

Yep...there are no bastions of straight news anymore.
Opinion and political speech come from the AP for cripes sake.

Today one must pick the type and intensity of spin the be consumed when picking a news source.

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Godzilla1960 wrote:
Crosscheck wrote:
He was obviously referring to post 9/11, which he went on record and clarified for folks that couldn't pick up on that.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2010/01 ... pdate.html

[color=#FFFF80]Actually what he was doing was making a complete asshole of himself

Fixed. Only a true blue asshole of the highest caliber would be like, "I meant after that one". Sorry if that offends anyone, but it's so true. Well Rudolph, then you tell us when to start counting asswipe.

"Weak on terror" is just an assonine statement in itself. What rational human being would put terrorism as a low priority, because it's not a big deal??


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What rational human being would put terrorism as a low priority, because it's not a big deal??

Well, if you listen to the nonpartisan, non-profit organization mandated by Congress called the Project for National Security Reform, it is a low priority and they're worried about the Obama administration.

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Report: Obama’s national security team ‘incredibly weak’

Despite an expansion of the National Security Council staff, coordination of national security policy is still dysfunctional and there is a lack of strategic guidance from President Obama, according to a group of leading outside experts and former officials.

"Reform must take place," said James Locher, President & CEO of the Project on National Security Reform (PNSR), "If you did not like what happened in the last 7 or 8 years... you're not going to like what's coming in the future."

"Momentum for reform is building, but it is largely rhetoric and good intentions," The congressionally funded group was begun as the result of a cooperative agreement between the Defense Department and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. "Strategic management of the national security system remains absent and is desperately needed to make it integrated, cohesive, and agile," the report continues.

Calling reform of the national security infrastructure "the number one national security issue," Locher said that America's ability to operate in international arenas the world over is "crippled" by the dysfunction within the system.

He called the White House's national security staff "incredibly weak," preventing integration and coordination that the National Security Council should be doing.

"There's almost no strategic guidance from the president or the executive office of the president," Locher said, adding, "We have almost no knowledge management in the national security system."

There's also no effective means for delegating the president's authority, he added.

Locher spoke a an event rolling out the latest PNSR report at the New American Foundation, hosted by its foreign policy chief and editor of The Washington Note Steve Clemons.

Clemons noted that according to the Goldwater-Nichols act, President Obama was required to submit a national security strategy by June 18, 150 days into his presidency, but he failed to do so.

The "Guiding Coalition" that oversaw the PNSR report included heavyweights such as former Lockheed Martin CEO Norman Augustine, former Amb. Robert Blackwill, retired Gen. Wesley Clark, retired Adm. Ed Giambastiani, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, former Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell, plus Washington players Brent Scowcroft, Thomas Pickering, and Joseph Nye.

Last November's version of the PNSR report included input from now Obama officials Jim Jones, James Steinberg, Michele Flournoy, and Dennis Blair. It declared that "the national security of the United States of America is fundamentally at risk."

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... ity_reform

So, yeah. If the non-partisan group founded to study that exact thing says team Obama is weak, I'm going with that.

Their priority is health care reform, not terrorism...that's what people voted for, that's what we get.

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Did the PNSR exist before the Obama administration? If so, I'm guessing they wouldn't say, "he's doing a wonderful job, let's pack it up, and call it a day". This is probably just bureaucracy at it's best, where once something exists, it must sustain itself. Not saying this IS the case, but it so often is.

I know this is "non profit" organization, but that doesn't mean guys like the "CEO" aren't earning a living from it, and corporations aren't supporting/sustaining it. There's simply too much bs to cut through these days.


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You aren't very curious are you?
Click the links I provided.

The group has existed since 2006 and they didn't give the Bush administration high marks either.

Congress listens to them so maybe you shouldn't be so swift to disregard them.
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* David Abshire (former member) - President and CEO, Center for the Study of the Presidency
* Norman Augustine - Retired Chairman and CEO, Lockheed Martin Corporation
* Joel Bagnal - Former Deputy Assistant to President George W. Bush for Homeland Security
* Robert Blackwill Counselor, Council on Foreign Relations
* Adm. Dennis C. Blair (former member) - Former Commander in Chief, U.S. Pacific Command. Current Director of National Intelligence.
* Gen. Charles G. Boyd, USAF - President and CEO, Business Executives for National Security
* Ashton Carter (former member) - Ford Foundation Professor of Science and International Affairs. JFK School of Government, Harvard University. Current Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics
* Lt. Gen. Daniel Christman - Senior Vice President for International Affairs, U.S. Chamber of Commerce
* Wesley Clark - former United States Army general and Supreme Allied Commander Europe
* Ruth A. David - President and CEO, Analytic Services Inc.
* Michele Flournoy (former member)- current Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
* Leon Fuerth - The Project on Forward Engagement, The George Washington University, former National Security Advisor to former Vice President Al Gore
* Edmund Giambastiani - former United States Navy admiral and Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
* Newt Gingrich - former Speaker of the United States House of Representatives
* James L. Jones - former United States Marine Corps general and Commandant of the Marine Corps; current National Security Advisor under Barack Obama
* James R. Locher III - Former Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations and Low Intensity Conflict
* James Loy - Former Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security
* Jessica Mathews - President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
* John E. McLaughlin - Former Deputy Director, Central Intelligence Agency
* Joseph Nye - University Distinguished Service Professor, John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University
* Carlos Pascual - Vice President and Director, Foreign Policy Studies, Brookings Institution
* Thomas R. Pickering - former United States Ambassador to the United Nations
* Brent Scowcroft, former United States Air Force general and National Security Advisor under Gerald Ford and George H. W. Bush
* Jeffrey H. Smith - partner, Arnold & Porter
* James Steinberg (former member) - former dean of the Lyndon B. Johnson School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas at Austin, current Deputy Secretary of State
* Kenneth R. Weinstein - CEO, Hudson Institute


Not exactly a list of partisan hacks if you ask me.

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Crosscheck wrote:
You aren't very curious are you?
Click the links I provided.

We're going to Olive Garden, so I just didn't have time right now. I saw a few names, and was immediately turned off by Newt Gingrich and former Lockheed CEO though. I also wonder just how much "security info" these guys are ALLOWED to have. If it were truly "secure", they wouldn't know it. I'll check into it later a bit if I can.


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As a Mets fan, Giuliani can go fuck himself.

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