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Godzilla1960
PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:00 am 
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Fox was the only cable news organization to cut away from the riviting question and answer session between President Obama and the House GOP. While Obama and the House Republicans were talking about the need for bipartisan dialogue and civility, Fox got a head start on their commentary and criticism of the president (Obama was "combative" and "lecturing").

They did find time to air the GOP response in its entirety.

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Are you surprised? Fox is a business that is successful because it panders to a very specific group of people. Of course they're going to pull something like that.

The real crime isn't that fox does this, it's that there are still people out there that trust any corporation to report the news without any agenda.

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Good opinion piece about Fox news.

http://thesheaf.com/2010/01/why-fox-new ... ngs%C2%A0/

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i dont watch fox news. ever. any station that gives bill o'reilly the airtime to spew his nonsense to millions over the air doesnt exactly get my respect.

i wish we had BBC over here. it would be nice to see the opinions from a third party.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
i wish we had BBC over here. it would be nice to see the opinions from a third party.

We do have BBC.
I get at least 2 BBC feeds

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i get 0 here :(

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And CNN wouldnt do something similar to this if it was in their favor? Your beating a dead horse here... Fox is Conservative and does this. CNN is liberal and does it... Woop de do. Move on with life.

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Rutledge222 wrote:
And CNN wouldnt do something similar to this if it was in their favor? Your beating a dead horse here... Fox is Conservative and does this. CNN is liberal and does it... Woop de do. Move on with life.

Why do you accept that? Perhaps because you have always lived in world that is thus.

First of all, I have no problem with FOX's conservative slant in their commentary and editorial policies. They are certainly entitled. Having a conservative or liberal or libertarian or socialist editorial board does not preclude objective journalism. My problem is when editorial policy bleeds over into straight news, which happens all too often anymore.

Secondly, CNN is NOT the liberal version of FOX. It is fashionable to say so among people who don't actually follow the news, but saying so doesn't make it true. CNN makes much more of an effort to treat news the way it traditionally has been viewed, with greater emphasis on journalistic integrity than shaping policy. MSNBC is the network you are thinking of and yes, they too long ago crossed the line of what should be acceptible in news programing.

Move on with life? What is that, a replacement for thinking? Slap on a bumper sticker and you don't have to do the hard work of examining an idea for its merits? That is what FOX and MSNBC do. Get some bloviating submental screamers and you don't actually have to pay real reporters to do the hard work of journalism. We have an entire generation of people who have grown up knowing nothing better, so they think that opinion is fact and commentary is news.

Well, it is not.

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I lost all respect for Fox news when they criticized Obama for not taking disciplinary action against a couple of rappers who were freestyling racist things in a night club shortly after his election.

How is that something he's supposed to deal with?

Fox is way beyond conservative journalism. They're over the top.



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I lost all respect for Fox news when they criticized Obama for not taking disciplinary action against a couple of rappers who were freestyling racist things in a night club shortly after his election.

Um...that's Michele Malkin doing the criticizing. That's the opinion of 1 far right talking head, not the network.

Folks should read the article ETC posted.
It's spot on.

The right wing, combative and controversial part of Fox news is only 1 element...that's them playing to the talk radio faction and it's quite effective.

They also have actual journalists and do top notch journalism like Brit Hume, Bret Baier, and Shepard Smith.

If you dismiss the entire network as right wing opinion and propaganda, you're just wrong.

Sadly, MSNBC is just a weird left wing characature of what they *think* Fox News is because I'm sure actually watching it would make their heads explode.

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I have a similar opinion as Zilla. If BillO or Glenn Back or Michelle Malkin want to pontificate and complain about the administration on opinion shows, then so be it. I have no problem with that. I may not agree with the content , but it's their opinion. News organizations have been doing opinion pieces as long as there have been news organizations.

My problem is when the lines blur. Fox tries to say there is a line between the opinion shows and their news programs, but it's increasingly harder to see. More and more Fox anchors provide more and more opinion during those times of day where Fox themselves has said they have news programming on.

They're not all bad. I do like Shep Smith. He tends to be pretty middle of the road and just tells you what happened, rarely injects his personal opinion. I just with more of the news folks would take his approach.

I don't think that 'woop de do, they all do it' is the right attitude to take. News organizations should serve the people, not the politics.


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Crosscheck wrote:
PuckSniperPensel wrote:
I lost all respect for Fox news when they criticized Obama for not taking disciplinary action against a couple of rappers who were freestyling racist things in a night club shortly after his election.

Um...that's Michele Malkin doing the criticizing. That's the opinion of 1 far right talking head, not the network.

Folks should read the article ETC posted.
It's spot on.

The right wing, combative and controversial part of Fox news is only 1 element...that's them playing to the talk radio faction and it's quite effective.

They also have actual journalists and do top notch journalism like Brit Hume, Bret Baier, and Shepard Smith.

If you dismiss the entire network as right wing opinion and propaganda, you're just wrong.

Sadly, MSNBC is just a weird left wing characature of what they *think* Fox News is because I'm sure actually watching it would make their heads explode.


Those who the network choose to show are those speaking for the network.

It doesn't say much about the people in charge, to say the very least.

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
Those who the network choose to show are those speaking for the network.

It doesn't say much about the people in charge, to say the very least.

Well I said creating controversy is actually part of their strategy.
And it works.
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Ailes’s pay is a direct reflection of his ability — and at $23 million, he is the highest paid employee of News Corporation.

You know what speaks of the people that are in charge over there?

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
Those who the network choose to show are those speaking for the network. It doesn't say much about the people in charge, to say the very least.

You do realize that NBC is MSNBC, right? That means you believe Olbermann, Maddow and Jerry Springer speak for NBC, and The View cast speaks for ABC, and that David Letterman and Andy Rooney speak for CBS.

It's OK to not want to watch programming from points of view you don't agree with, but you shouldn't make sweeping judgments out of anger.

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i love keith olbermann!

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I'll still submit that ratings doesn't mean you're doing a good job. American Idol gets ratings. Jersey Shore gets ratings.

It only means that Fox caters their content to what their viewers WANT to see. In the business of entertainment, that's good. In the business of journalistic integrity, not so much.


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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
i dont watch fox news. ever. any station that gives bill o'reilly the airtime to spew his nonsense to millions over the air doesnt exactly get my respect.


ironyisadeadscene wrote:
i love keith olbermann!

Ahh, the Irony, Irony! :lol:

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Squanto wrote:

It only means that Fox caters their content to what their viewers WANT to see. In the business of entertainment, that's good. In the business of journalistic integrity, not so much.

Now THIS is spot on! I can't believe that anyone would expect me to sift through Fox's right-wing agenda so I could enjoy their excellent journalistic quality. That is just laughable.


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End The Curse wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
i dont watch fox news. ever. any station that gives bill o'reilly the airtime to spew his nonsense to millions over the air doesnt exactly get my respect.


ironyisadeadscene wrote:
i love keith olbermann!

Ahh, the Irony, Irony! :lol:


exactly! just opposite sides of the spectrum of political opinion. but keith olbermann does know his sports! i dont necessarily find o'reillys political agenda that offensive. yes, its a 180 from mine, but thats ok. people can disagree. i find hes just an asshole who doesnt let anyone disagree with him (basically, the same person as me!)

his rivalry with the great al frankin is hilarious though.

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