"Revolting"..."terrible"...worthy of kicking the TSA woman's teeth in??? Really?

The article said the girl was already having a hissy fit because she had to put her stuffed animal down as it went through the x-ray. Her hissy fit caused her to hit the edge of the metal detector twice while going through, which triggered an automatic pat down per TSA regulations. The TSA screener is then faced with a procedure that she is REQUIRED to perform with a 3 yr old already in the middle of a melt down. No win situation, but yeah, it's revolting, terrible, and the woman should have her teeth kicked in.

So if we don't like a rule, we should demonize and hurt the people charged with enforcing the rule? Don't forget your torches, nooses, and metal pipes.

The whole point is that she's a fucking kid.

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Totally false. I can sell you a ticket that says when you show up to the airport, you have to let me punch you in the face before you can get on your flight. That doesn't mean it's legal for me to do so; it's still assault.

Purchasing a ticket to fly is a private contract between an individual and airline. This contract can say whatever it wants to, but those terms still have to abide by applicable state and federal laws.

We should demonize the enforcers of the rule when they have no fucking common sense in their attempt to enforce it. The TSA's chief said yesterday that children under 12 are not subject to enhanced pat downs, even though there is oodles of evidence proving that it's happening frequently.

The TSA screeners are allowed some leeway and judgement. I think it's a reasonable that a 3 year old doesn't need the same physical scrutiny as a 35 year old. Use the wand, and use some observation to see that she's not packing a 9mm in her Dora PJs without grabbing her all over like she's a common criminal.

Something else that just occurred to me.

I have a NEXUS card. If you don't know what that is, it's part of the Trusted Traveler Programs established by the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative. (The law that requires you to have a passport or other specific form of ID to get back in the US without stopping in immigration.

To get one, you have to fill out the app, go through personal and criminal background checks in both the United States and Canada, as well as be checked against Interpol and other international databases. Once you're cleared, you're fingerprinted, and get a retinal scan (optional, but to use it at airports for international travel, it's a requirement.). At the US/Canada border, I can use a special lane and not have to wait. I get minimal questioning, and am on my way in under a minute.

If I fly into Canada or the US from other countries, I can bypass the normal customs and immigration lines, and use the NEXUS line. Again, this is all because I have all of these background checks already done. The governments of both countries know everything they want to know about me, and have decided I don't need extra scrutiny.

However, if I fly from Buffalo to NYC, NOT LEAVING MY OWN STATE, I'm subject to a virtual strip search or crotch grabbing. Also, even though the NEXUS card is issued by DHS (of which the TSA is a part), most TSA screeners won't accept it as a valid form of identification, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A MORE SECURE DOCUMENT THAN MY NY STATE ISSUES DRIVER'S LICENSE and listed on their website as a valid form of ID.

Yep, this system works great.

Doesn't mean her super-absorbent pampers wasn't soaked in PETN.

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and neither the backscatter nor a pat-down would have caught that...so what's your point?

Ron Paul Responds to TSA: Introduces 'American Traveler Dignity Act'

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My point? I may as well not have a point, because you're an idiot if you can't see the bigger picture.

Like I said. Put your daughter on a plane after removing the security measures in place that you bitch about so much.

Maybe my point is that if anything, they need to HEIGHTEN security, to catch things like PETN.

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I don't think anyone has a problem with security. The objection is more about security theater; Doing things that are not effective in the name of enhanced security.

I did...many times.
If you haven't been paying attention these procedures are NEW.

Woman has her shirt pulled off and is laughed at by the TSA
I'm glad that woman was made safer by complying like a nice little citizen.

Entire airport opts-out of using TSA for security

You want me to walk through a metal detector?
Fine.
You want to x-ray my bag?
Fine.
This is all just a stunt so Michael Chirtoff can make money selling the machines.
It doesn't make us safer. It doesn't.

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More facts for fodder



http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... rs-harmful

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It's about equal because the systems are in place. Take the security measures out, and the probability rises, as airplanes become easy (soft) targets. The TSA's intent is to make air travel a hard target.

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Ok, here's a decent argument against it. We all assume that the implementation was done by the "greater good" principle, right? Well, if the machine's invasiveness is less important than the safety it provides, then why weren't strip searches mandatory before the machine was invented? The threat was equal then to what it is now. Sure the machine helps facilitate the process, but it is essentially doing the same thing. I can't see how they could have felt the strip search would take too long after seeing what happened on 9/11, can you?

It was a hard target before these scanners.
That's plainly evidenced by the fact that nothing has been attempted through a domestic airport since 9/11.
Not. one. thing.

So why now does a threat source that hasn't increased require increased attention?

Answer: it doesn't.

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These fuckers just won't get it cross until they want to post one outside their front door. There are very few things more important than the shell of liberties you have left. So many principles of liberty have been twisted over the last 25 years, that at this pace, we should be reaching utopia by 2050 easily.

-Rafi Sela
former chief security officer of the Israel Airport Authority

http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/Full ... story.html

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Yeah because private companies would do muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch better. At least the ones who put money in his bank account
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/11/19/airports-consider-congressmans-ditch-tsa/

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There are already airports that use private companies...have been since the beginning.
There is an opt-out for the TSA written into the legislation that also lists 5 private firms that meet the requirements.

Besides, if you're going to get upset about profiteering, get mad at Michael Chirtoff...former Director of Homeland Security whose firm currently represents a company that makes and sells backscatter machines.

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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/sf ... 4032.story

The act of entering a security line at an airport is now a de facto admission of guilt of which you must be cleared via scanning, groping or a $11,000 fine.

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For everyone complaining, think about this. When I flew into Brussels after September 11th we all got out of the plane just off the runway and walked off the plane, down a column of military men armed with uzies into the airport where we were frisked, metal detected, swabbed for explosive materials and then had our bags opened and ransacked. All I'm saying is that what we get bent out of shape about is pretty small when looked at in a larger context.

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