That's actually what most mainstream economists believe. Only reason there was ever a "recovery" was TARP and the Obama bailout. Once the effects wore off, here comes our double-dip. Not sure I totally believe that but yeah, if we look at the results of the last century, Keynesian economics have the better track result IMO.

Not my words. Talk to the dead man.

Wish I could. But then I'd probably choose another dead man were that the case.

Fact remains that's what you used to back your argument from the way I perceived it squier.

Does big government favor big business? Fuckin' A it does. Who the fuck funds their campaigns? They all suck from the same big ass hooker money titties. Our voices are push by the wayside as billions are spent "convincing" politicians to sway a certain way. We can sit here and attack each other all day but truth be told neither really gives two squirts of piss what we want unless its election time.

I agree. That's why I think there's major campaign finance reform needed. But again, that's gonna require more regulation, not less.

Here's my idea that will never happen:
All politicians should be required to go through a rotation of different jobs, kinda like the way some restaurants make employees work every station in a restaurant to foster team work and to give everyone a better understanding of how things work together. National politicians should have term limits, combined with having to spend at least a year as a farmer, a cashier, a construction worker, a teacher, a nurse, fast food fry-bitch, the whole gamut. The system is broken because politicians cater to their campaign contributors and not their fellow citizens. Maybe that would open some eyes.

So why don't I hear liberals advancing this theory as an answer to our current problems?

Don't have the spine?

Because the national conversation sounds like this:
Republicans: We desperately need to cut taxes, remove regulations and cut spending to reduce the deficit.
Democrats: We need to raise taxes on the rich to build new bridges and give money to the states so they don't have to fire public employees.

I only see one of those as even offering a solution for the issue, the other trying to maintain a status quo, not move anything forward.

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If by liberals you mean democrats in any way, then yes, they don't have the spine. They profess basically the same ideology as far as debt reduction. I mean 99% of their policy ideas and rhetoric are the same.

What's the difference between democrats and republicans? Democrats care about the victims of their policies.

And what is the issue? The national debt? That's the most overblown topic out there. You think people struggling to pay their bills are worried more about the national debt or their own debt? Yes, I know they're related, but I think it's normal for people not to concentrate on their weedy garden when their house is falling down.

Yawn...
Even if the victim is US economic sovereignty?

Can't cut medicare, put it on the credit card!
Can't reform social security, put it on the credit card!

FFS

What did you say about the definition of insanity?

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The stagnant economy compounded by the housing market and the unavailability of credit markets for small and medium size businesses.

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And when did these things become so necessary? Oh yeah, when Reagan started cutting taxes and everyone since followed suit.

cheers

I lost all faith in government when they decided they would still allow unlimited donation amounts to campaigns. If someone offered you 10 dollars to eat a turd you would PROBABLY say no(don't want to offend the turd eaters). If someone offered you 3 million dollars to eat that same turd you would probably say yes. Now swtich turd with law and you have current situation with government.

Oh, I thought it was reducing the national debt.

my point remains....the GOP mantra at least attempts to address the issue.
the line being toed by the Democrats does not....it simply maintains the status quo as much as possible.

If a big keynesian splash is what they're for...and "a majority of economists" agree...then shouldn't someone be standing up and saying it?

Because it's starting to look like the Democrats don't have a plan.
Obama's jobs bill reads like a giant list of band-aids.

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And what killed the credit market Cross? Oh yeah that's right, deregulation ending the stricter loan requirements. Deregulation erasing the line between commercial and investment banks. Deregulation that lead to the creation of derivatives that allowed bankers to create a bunch of money that was never really there.

THEY DON'T! That's not my point and you know it.

As a fiscal conservative I'd be ok with things like re-instating Glass-Steagall

But look what you're doing, you're looking backwards...blaming...what we need are solutions, ideas and forward thinking.

Something the Democrats haven't gotten around to yet.

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Oh, ok then....what were we talking about?



So the GOP plan is bad and the DNC has no plan.
methinks we may be fucked.

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I don't disagree. I'd like to Washington DC-local, Noah's Arc-style flood if it wouldn't kill people. Fact remains that the main thrust of most GOP (and Democratic) economic plans still cling to this idea of cutting taxes, spending, and deregulating as some sort solution, and that is looking backward AND whitewashing history.