I would just like to reiterate that I don't judge others by their opinion...the above is mine. LOVE YAS!!

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I believe abortions should be legal, but it is between the woman and the doctor like Mike said. It's the woman's body, she should be able to do what she wants with it.

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We truly are not worthy of Miller!

I believe the soul doesn't enter ones body until birth.

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I agree that the biological father should have input. I disagree the choice should be the womans alone, thats not balanced if a father is willing to raise the child in my view.

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Right, but who is he to say what she should do with her body? It's like your wife telling you to get snipped. Actually, it's nothing like that, but there is nothing that can compare to bearing a child.

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I believe in personal accountability for ones actions. If, as a unit, a man and woman created this child and there is no risk to the woman's health outside of normal child bearing, why shouldn't the biological father have just as much input. To me anyways, its not so much about the womans body as it is about the unit, or team if you will, that created the situation.

But I completely understand where your points come from, it has always been a subject that I personally struggle to gain a handle on. I try to be fair to all involved, but at the end of the day there are so many good points from multiple views.
I am not pro or anti abortion and I thank my lucky stars I am not a woman, its tough being a gal in today's world, but we are making progress toward equality, but if its true equality that is desired, then the biological fathers abilities should not be ignored just because the woman is the incubator for the child in my view anyways.

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not entirely. if i have sex with a girl, and she gets pregnant, im going to support her, and her decision. i dont like abortion, but its a womans choice. as men, our voices shouldnt be the loudest, and when a woman makes a choice whether to have a baby or not, our voices shouldnt be heard with our opinions on the subject, rather, that we support her.

however, i look forward to being a dad, and i would probably be ecstatic.

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I think that abortion should only be used in extreme cases, like Jay said earlier, rape can be an extreme, or if you're body would physically not be able to survive through labor, etc.

But if it was your decision to have sex, then you should know your consequences. Things happen. If you get pregnant and know you will not be able to provide for your child after birth, then you give it up for adoption because there are a lot of great people out there who unfortunately do not have the ability to conceive. If someone thinks they are mature enough to have sex, then they should be mature enough to handle the decisions that come with it.

I'm not completely 100% pro-life here, it's ultimately each individual persons decision and each persons life is different.
I just know that if I were to have sex by my own choice and get pregnant, I could never go through with it because knowing that I denied someone a chance at life would be a really hard thing for me to live with.

This is flawed logic.

A woman alone can't make a choice to have a baby.
She can make a choice to NOT have a baby by NOT having sex or using birth control.

The choice belongs to both parties and is made when they decide to do the nasty, unprotected. Period.

While it may be "her body" it's "their baby".

That's probably as far as I'll get into this topic but I'll just add: Ones outlook on abortion changes dramatically when they become a parent.

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Gee, I dont know man. Even though you're personally endorsing this site, I tend to not think too highly of the rationality of people who's beliefs are founded on a dream about alien visitors. But to each his own, I wont judge you on your life view.

"The Church of Euthanasia was inspired by a dream, in which Rev. Chris Korda confronted an alien intelligence known as The Being who speaks for the inhabitants of Earth in other dimensions. The Being warned that our planet's ecosystem is failing, and that our leaders deny this. The Being asked why our leaders lie to us, and why so many of us believe these lies. Rev. Korda awoke from the dream moaning the Church's infamous slogan, Save the Planet - Kill Yourself."

Sigh...and THEN you'll have to deal with the "Hot loaves" which will be continually produced.

I would agree, but not always in the way people think. Having a daughter has been a wonderful experience, and I love her with all my heart and soul. She's an amazing little girl, and so is her little sister. That being said, there are many times that I struggle, sometimes I'm not sure what to do. I know what the easy route is, but I know that in order to raise a good person, the hard decisions are the ones that matter most.

I may be overly critical, but I believe that many parents today take the easy route more often than not. I'm not saying that all of those parents should have had abortions, because I believe many of them wanted babies, and want to do the right thing. They'll probably raise halfway decent spawn. My issue lies with the people that didn't want to have a child in the first place, but because of the social or religious stigma associated with abortion, they didn't have one. Now they're stuck. Adoption is a possibility, but there are many more kids than wannabe parents. So they take the easy route. Their child is now a preteen and staying out well past dark. Smoking. Doing drugs. Drinking. Having sex. Because for a child, nothing good happens after dark.

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People that really want to have children and try to do the right thing can be shitty parents too.

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I'm dumbfounded. Not that what you said was wrong - it's 100% correct. I just didn't think of wording anything like that

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I'm simply going to say, that I may be the only person on these whole boards who considers the right of the child to live first and foremost. The only time I see abortion as okay would be if it endangers the life of the mother. And even then, in a perfect world a mother would be willing to sacrifice her own life for that of her child. But I would not begrudge a mother who had an abortion to save her own life.

To me, all the arguments of whether the father should have a say, or whether it's the woman's decision with her doctor, or whether they would make good parents are all irrelevant. No matter how you answer those questions, in my views you cannot supercede the right to life of a child.

To me, if you couldn't bring yourself to murder a child already born to satisfy your reasoning, then it's the same for abortion. And if you're a supporter of killing people already born for reasons of overpopulation, quality of life, contribution to society or whatever, then you're a loon and stay the hell away from me and my family.

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Hammy, I posted the picture of my daughter for that very reason. If her father had had his way, she would have been tossed in a biohazard bin as a zygote and forgotten about.

I think pro life people get a bad rap. Seriously, if people could see what happens to that poor innocent baby when's being killed, they'd be thinking twice.

I really do respect people's choices, but that choice should most definitely include the reality of snuffing out the life of the baby...adoption is ALWAYS an option. Did I want a baby when I had my daughter? Absolutely NOT...but she has been the blessing of my life and I can't ever imagine life without her.


Incidentally, her father died of a herione overdose three years ago yesterday. I don't know why I needed to say that, just thought I'd put it out there...for whatever reason. It was a weird day for me.

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This really my only disagreement with the general pro-life position. It seems that is can be summed up as:

"We want all women to have a choice....as long as it's one of these selected options."

I respect your opinions, and I'm not trying to insult you or your views. I'm just pointing out why I tend to disagree with those opinions.

At this point in time, at my age I would want the girl to have the baby if it was an "accident". Mainly since I'm more mature and responsible than I was at 22 where I would have gunned for the abortion route.

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I guess it depends on when you believe life begins. If you believe it begins at conception, then you are murdering a baby. If you believe its when the baby is born, then you are tossing out some baggage.

However, watch a video or read up on how a partial birth abortion is performed. Nobody should have to die like that just because they are inconvenient. That's my argument. Respectfully. Its just what I believe. ...and any woman that can DO THAT to her baby should...well, you said to keep it civil...

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Not meant to be disrespectful...its just reality. In my opinion, your decision to have an abortion should be made after seeing what the reality is for the very real unborn baby...

Partial Birth Abortion:

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/diagram.html

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