Tax breaks for the middle class, then raising taxes on the rich. Something that actually makes sense, and makes the government more money. Obama has already said, the wealthy needs to pay their fair share of taxe.

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Oh, wait, you're being serious.
My friend said he wants to fuck a supermodel...sounds legit but he didn't really have a plan on how to achieve that goal.

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Listen closely.
If we started to immediately tax everyone making over $115k at a 100% rate, that only generates $3.4 trillion.
This last year we spent $3.6 trillion.

Maybe the rich should pay more but pretending that's any sort of solution to our fiscal problems is fucking retarded.
The only way to fix the debt and deficit is if the government pays out less and a larger section of the population pays tax revenue instead of taking tax revenue.

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Did I say taxing the rich more was the solution to all problems?
No.
But it sure helps.



Doesn't seem like Obama spends as much as everyone thinks. And talking about an unexplained plan (LOL) Romney is THE KING of not explaining his plans. Romney even said it himself, he'll explain his plans after he gets elected (makes 0 sense). (What I mean by this is he remains very vague on many of his plans)

But Obama doesn't have a plan?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/senior ... l-security

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So people making over $114k paying 70% of all Federal tax receipts isn't progressive enough for you?


Romney's plan has been available since early in primary season, you must not be curious about such things.
Here, I'll get it for you, it's 87 pages of him not explaining things.
http://www.mittromney.com/blogs/mitts-v ... mic-growth

Uh, I linked to and openly mocked Obama's plan aren't you reading?

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The rich pay a less percentage of their checks than the middle class pays theirs is a problem. The rich make so much more than middle class people that OF COURSE they're going to have the majority of the taxes. It's simple math.

"My friend said he wants to fuck a supermodel...sounds legit but he didn't really have a plan on how to achieve that goal."
And you said Obama doesn't have a plan... But then you say he does??? Oh yeah, it's because I was talking about his social security plan. I bet his overall plan is a lot better than Romney's whole tax cut and blow jobs to the businesses. Who don't even make jobs here, they use little 12 year old kids in China. Which is why this election to me is better placed to whoever gives it to the big businesses. JOBS aren't here because they bring them to countries where they can get this.


And Romney wants to give those companies tax cuts and incentives to create jobs. Nice plan.

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Which is why to me this election is about who sucks less. Obama sucks less. ALL politicians suck because none of them want to regulate that awful practice of outsourcing jobs.

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well, democrats did try to pass a bill that would reward companies for bringing outsourced jobs back to the states. but no one knows how well it would have worked. someone else im sure has more details then i do.

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So you have a problem with capital gains being taxed at a different rate than normal income.
Ok, congress can change the tax code, not the president.

That still doesn't change the fact that the wealthy in this country pay a vast majority of tax revenue.
the top 10% pay 70% 0f all taxes
the top 25% pay 87% of all taxes
That seems more than "fair" to me.

But don't worry, if you're a fan of raising taxes, January 1st is going to be your wet dream come true.
http://www.atr.org/days-taxmageddon-a7203

So does Obama. Go read his plan.
Because that's all the Federal government can do to help job growth (outside of hiring Federal employees)...give incentives to companies.

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You're missing my point, if the rich pay a lesser percentage of their salary than the middle class, that's not fair. It should at least be equal, especially since the middle class can't handle it as well as the rich who would still be filthy stinking rich. Considering we're 14th in the world for income tax, our income tax going up isn't exactly the end of the world.

Obama wants to give tax cuts to the rich???

"During his speech, Obama called on Congress to extend tax cuts for only low and middle income earners while allowing taxes to increase for families that make more than a quarter-million a year."

Which that would include the big businesses.

But nothing Obama or Congress will do will actually bring jobs back. Big businesses already use (basically) slave labor in China, India, etc. Nothing the U.S can offer is cheaper than 12 year old kids working 20 hours a day for 2 dollars an hour. Congress setting regulations for Big Businesses would do something, but they're never going to do that. For whatever reason.

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No, I addressed your point right off the bat.
If you say the rich pay a lesser percentage, you must be referring to taxes on capital gains, not income.
Because the rich DO pay a higher percentage on regular income.

So your problem is with the capital gains tax rate...fine, Presidents don't write tax code so that's neither here nor there.

He extended the Bush tax cuts for several years, so yes.

Speeches are cute and President's don't write tax code.


Manufacturing is the past, not the future of our economy.

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Somebody brought a knife to a gun fight

You can't debate rational politics with libertarians.

They want every home in America to have a wall around it, and everyone to be 100% self sufficient. Because for some reason, that's held up as 'the American way.'

Obama wanted to extend the Bush tax cuts for THE MIDDLE CLASS, not the rich.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/09/politics/ ... index.html

And big business shipping labor to China should NOT be allowed, especially since the workers are treated so awfully. Mitt Romney wants to reward them for that...

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Audience member: For the last three years, all everybody's been told is, "Don't worry, we'll take care of you." How are you going to do it, in two months before the elections, to convince everybody you've got to take care of yourself?

Romney: There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. And I mean, the president starts off with 48, 49, 48—he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn't connect. And he'll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean that's what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people—I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is convince the 5 to 10 percent in the center that are independents that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon in some cases emotion, whether they like the guy or not, what it looks like. I mean, when you ask those people…we do all these polls—I find it amazing—we poll all these people, see where you stand on the polls, but 45 percent of the people will go with a Republican, and 48 or 4…

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He clumsily fumbled around that topic, but the claims rising out of that quote are exaggerations. Can anyone clarify for me if SS is usually considered an "entitlement"? I always thought medicare was but I never thought of SS benefits that way because of the extent that workers paid into that system. I'm just happy that I don't pay into SS anymore because I'm afraid voters will not allow any serious change to that system. No politician can get elected if they pledge to modify SS (even if it's for the better), or get re-elected if they try to while in office. Much the same thing for Medicare. I think the only way significant change to entitlement programs will happen is once they simply crash out, because it seems voters don't have the stones to elect someone that is willing to dish out the bad medicine.

This guy can quite simply eat a dick for all I care. How the fact that I get money back at the end of the year could correlate to feeling like I'm entitled and refuse to take responsibility for my life is hard to even counter with anything less than the middle finger. Most military families are in the same boat I am and for one second if this guy thinks that the enlisted men and women of the US Armed Forces are someone how sponges because of income tax...wow. Screw the stack of other various taxes I pay....we're just freeloaders.

I honestly can't believe he has thought this through. How could he have? Paying or not paying income tax doesn't dictate your political leanings for most people IMO. I mean, I know plenty of people who have the same pay check as us and still agree with the wealthy catering platform of the GOP.

Though I know it is impossible, I really wish John Huntsman could have had the financial backing Romney has had. We have an ineffective, weakly lead party on the left which lacks direction and spine and party pandering to the uber-wealthy and fanatically religious on the right. And the kicker is that they are both bought and paid for in full by special interest groups that have hijacked the system for their own benefit. It is sad that there are men and women in this country that could fill the role of President (or Congress and Senate for that matter) in a manner which is respectful instead of a mockery but they will never be afforded the chance because the game is rigged. Countries have a shelf life, there is no grand decree from on high guaranteeing the good old US of A will be around forever. Hard to lead a country into greatness when your leadership is drunk on money and orgying it up with the top 1% all the while fisting the middle class out back in the gimp cage.

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By definition, my 401k is also an entitlement. The word isn't that important, although it's almost always used pejoratively.

That's a strawman.


No, by definition it's a voluntary benefit provided by your employer and/or voluntarily funded by yourself with your own earnings.
You're not entitled to it if you work somewhere that doesn't provide it or don't want to fund it yourself.

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We also pay into medicare, how is that an 'entitlement'?

This is just more bullshit republican 'rebranding', which is in effect an effort to change the very reality of things. Just call what you're trying to demonize something different and let the talking heads repeat it enough, and viola, people are all of a sudden considered some sort of moocher for getting back some of the money they've been paying to the Gov this whole time. What a fucking crock.

That's exactly it.

The basic Republican thinking is "If I need it it's important for the government to make sure it's there. If someone else needs it, those people are just lecherous moochers who don't want to work."

Fucking idiotic.