Maybe it was a little harsh, but you're being disturbingly selfish....especially when arguing our tax money should be used to prop up your region to a message board full of people from Buffalo.

This country doesn't need GM.
GM doesn't deserve to exist.
Sorry they happen to be located where you are, but that fact is completely irrelevant.

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Sabres Junkie, where the mods are granted name-calling priveliges.

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Maybe whiner was harsh...I'll admit that. but "selfish" isn't name calling...it's just an adjective.

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I know you weren't a fan of it Ed. My consternation is just that it seems like every criticism you have about our government falls at the feet of Obama, even though the vast majority of these problems fell into his lap.

I'm not giving the guy a free pass, but it seems like people expect the guy to fix every problem he inherited from previous administrations in 12 months without a mistake.

i guess im just going to have to concede. i disagree with you, but understand where you are coming from.

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You may not be for it but you seem to readily accept it and defend it.

Based on what? What *might* have been? The boogie-man?
No one will ever be able to quantify if it worked at all...that's the beauty of it. They don't have to prove anything.

From where I sit, the people that were running the financial ship of this country (besides Greenspan) when this whole thing went down, are still in charge. The fox is running the hen house...they were under Bush and they are under Obama.

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That's the only reason I went and found that thread...this isn't a gotcha game with Obama. He's just in charge now and continuing what I see are seriously destructive domestic policies started by the previous administration.
I'm a fiscal conservative and I haven't been represented in Washington since Newt Gingrich and *gasp* Clinton.
I will continue to complain about it no matter who's in office.

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Mood?
Prove things would have gotten worse without TARP and the stimulus. You can't. And I don't like spending trillions of dollars on "mood".
Perhaps the recovery would have been even quicker if AIG and GM were allowed to fail.
Oh wait...We were told GM was given tax dollars to avoid bankruptcy altogether. So I guess the Federal smart guys got that wrong too.


Awesome. I hope everyone is/was invested heavily in the stock market because we're staring at 10% unemployment for the foreseeable future.

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Damn, Obama! Hasn't fix all the country's problems in his first year.





* This should make you happy, Cross:

G.M. has already paid back $1 billion of the $6.7 billion that the United States lent the company as part of its broader G.M. rescue effort that totaled about $50 billion and now the new chief executive of General Motors, Edward E. Whitacre Jr., has said GM will pay off its remaining debt by this June, five years early.

To Attract Shoppers, G.M. to Pay Debt to U.S.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/26/business/26auto.html

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He's been focused on healthcare and global warming when the people want him to focus on jobs.
We don't have healthcare reform, a climate bill or job creation. Of course it would be silly to expect him to solve so many problems, but I don't see that he has solid control of any of them much less solved any of them.

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He can't do it all himself, and he shouldn't take all the blame for it either.

2 things wrong with this plan

1. If those shoppers don't come GM is back where we started before all this.
2.

Yeah...want to make a bet with me about whether the government relinquishes control when given the opportunity and urged to do so?

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There's a lot of misinformation in this thread right now. I'm going to respond with a really long post - which I may not finish right now - but I will say Zilla hit the nail on the head with the first line of his first response - and that despite what the media will have you believe right now, the manned space program is far from dead.

Specifically what is wrong is Mike Griffin's quote - but I wouldn't expect anything less from that guy.

Just because Constellation is dead doesn't mean that our manned space program is - and furthermore, Constellation was all but dead for months now.

I have a lot to say but it's going to have to wait until the morning. However, take a look at this article. It's the most accurate and trustworthy info out right now.

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2010/01/ ... st-flight/

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Yes.
I wish the growth were real and sustainable.
I wish jobs were being created instead of temporary wall street wealth.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... LMEUObhysc

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Yeah because NASA stimulates the economy. All the moon gold unharvested.. Such a shame. I can't understand republicans.

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Yes, manned space flight is stupid. We should have never done it in the first place...look at all the money we flushed down the toilet over the years.

Have fun with that argument, You're alone.

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