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We just smoked some dudes in Pakistan with a predator this morning...that's peaceful right?

Nice...you guys lambast him for getting the peace price (Kind of like hating on vanek for signing that fat contract) then hate on him some MORE when he actually DOES the things you guys bitch about him not doing (defending the US in speeches overseas, sending troops to afghanistan)

So basically this forum is just for you guys to talk shit about him, regardless of what he does. Ok, good to know.

We just smoked some dudes in Pakistan with a predator this morning...that's peaceful right?

Actually, the award was created by the inventor of dynamite, as a sort of making up for his destructive creation. But the prize has no credibility. Yassir Arafat? I mean, come on, really?

Ham

Crosscheck wrote:

We just smoked some dudes in Pakistan with a predator this morning...that's peaceful right?

Once again, I haven't had time to research anything, but it seems talking about any war(even the 'just' ones) seems very against what the prize should stand for.

As for what the right and left have to say, they can suck a dick. This is a people's choice award, and if they take it away from us, then we have no awards left.

The Nobel Prize is a privately funded prize, that is awarded by a committee who are appointed by the Norwegian parliament. This is Norway's little shindig and they can do whatever they damn well want. It is not uncommon for the Norwegians to give the prize as a message or encouragement for the direction they would like to see the world take. If people don't like who they give prizes to they are welcome to fund their own prizes and come up with whatever criteria they wish.

By the way, Alfred Nobel stipulated in his will that the peace prize should be awarded to the person who:

"during the preceding year...shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."

According to that criteria there is no one more qualified this year than President Obama.

We just smoked some dudes in Pakistan with a predator this morning...that's peaceful right?

"during the preceding year...shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."

According to that criteria there is no one more qualified this year than President Obama.

Godzilla1960 wrote:

Did you just say that with a straight face?
Abolition or reduction of standing armies? Seriously?

He just doubled-down on Afghanistan to the tune of 30,000 troops.

I guess now that a Democrat is in office it's ok to blow up brown people on the other side of the planet?

Back to the Nobel Peace prize. As I said, I wish they had awarded it to someone else. However, who would that be? The committee gave it to Obama, I believe, in order to send a message of support for the re-engagement of the united States into the world community (and, as a rebuke to the policies of the previous administration). Obama did re-energize support for the United States around the world. He also sent a clear message that the U.S. is ready to talk about the problems facing the world, i.e. working for fraternity between nations.

Finally, who else were they going to give it to? Who else deserves it more? It was a weak Nobel draft this year, so Obama became the #1 pick almost by default.

Author:	End The Curse [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:52 am ]
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In accepting his Nobel Peace Prize, President Obama hawkishly praised America so strongly for waging "just wars" that one had to wonder if he'd hired one of George W. Bush's speech writers. In an incredible turn of events, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich and many others on the right effusively praised President Obama for distinguishing America as uniquely good and moral for using military force against evil. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30448.html Of course, the left was not so happy. Arianna Huffington and other liberals railed at the absurdity of President Obama expanding an "unjust, unnecessary war" while simultaneously accepting the Nobel Peace Prize. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-tv/a ... 88241.html

Author:	Hammygoodness [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:09 pm ]
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I'm glad when Obama spouts positive things about America. The problem is I just don't believe he believes it. He tried to run as a moderate candidate, and he's so far to the left he's on the other side of the planet. What he says and what he does are not often reconcileable. Ham

Author:	Crosscheck [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:49 pm ]
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We just smoked some dudes in Pakistan with a predator this morning...that's peaceful right?

Author:	Yhoshi [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:56 pm ]
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Crosscheck wrote: We just smoked some dudes in Pakistan with a predator this morning...that's peaceful right? a peaceful murder

Author:	YankeeInRaleigh [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:10 pm ]
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Nice...you guys lambast him for getting the peace price (Kind of like hating on vanek for signing that fat contract) then hate on him some MORE when he actually DOES the things you guys bitch about him not doing (defending the US in speeches overseas, sending troops to afghanistan) So basically this forum is just for you guys to talk shit about him, regardless of what he does. Ok, good to know.

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Author:	Crosscheck [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:12 pm ]
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YankeeInRaleigh wrote: Nice...you guys lambast him for getting the peace price (Kind of like hating on vanek for signing that fat contract) then hate on him some MORE when he actually DOES the things you guys bitch about him not doing (defending the US in speeches overseas, sending troops to afghanistan) So basically this forum is just for you guys to talk shit about him, regardless of what he does. Ok, good to know. Um...go check the Afghanistan speech thread. You'll find myself and others you may think are critical of Obama saying he was doing the right thing. I actually said that in the thread...I was agreeing with him. EDIT: here viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1160&start=0 5 posts down.

Author:	End The Curse [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:28 pm ]
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YankeeInRaleigh wrote: Nice...you guys lambast him for getting the peace price (Kind of like hating on vanek for signing that fat contract) then hate on him some MORE when he actually DOES the things you guys bitch about him not doing (defending the US in speeches overseas, sending troops to afghanistan) So basically this forum is just for you guys to talk shit about him, regardless of what he does. Ok, good to know. I think you got yourself mixed up. The left is lambasting his speech, while the right is giving him props. Read the OP again, dude.

Author:	Yhoshi [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:36 pm ]
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I think it was a mistake to choose Obama. that wasn't good for the Nobelprize and it wasn't good for Obama. by the way , only 5 people choose the winner

Author:	Hammygoodness [ Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:14 am ]
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Oh, I actually agree with his speech. I just don't think he'll really tack in that direction when it comes down to it. If he does, I'll certainly give him praise and credit. That's the way I roll. Yeah, I'll dump on Obama all day, but not because he's just not my guy and I want to see him fail. It's because 99.5% of the things he does or stands for are contradictory to my values. Ham

Author:	daz28 [ Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:35 am ]
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Crosscheck wrote: We just smoked some dudes in Pakistan with a predator this morning...that's peaceful right? Once again, I haven't had time to research anything, but it seems talking about any war(even the 'just' ones) seems very against what the prize should stand for. With this in mind, didn't the guy who invented dynamite get one too, or maybe even the guy who invented the Gatling gun. This award is forever tarnished, imo. The sooner we stop giving it merit, the sooner it may gain some merit. As for what the right and left have to say, they can suck a dick. This is a people's choice award, and if they take it away from us, then we have no awards left.

Author:	Hammygoodness [ Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:42 am ]
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Actually, the award was created by the inventor of dynamite, as a sort of making up for his destructive creation. But the prize has no credibility. Yassir Arafat? I mean, come on, really? Ham

Author:	daz28 [ Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:50 am ]
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Hammygoodness wrote: Actually, the award was created by the inventor of dynamite, as a sort of making up for his destructive creation. But the prize has no credibility. Yassir Arafat? I mean, come on, really? Ham Ya, I think what Gatling and Nobel shared in common was that they believed they could end strife. I think Oppenheimer may have felt the same way too.

Author:	Crosscheck [ Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:51 am ]
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daz28 wrote: Crosscheck wrote: We just smoked some dudes in Pakistan with a predator this morning...that's peaceful right? Once again, I haven't had time to research anything, but it seems talking about any war(even the 'just' ones) seems very against what the prize should stand for. Right. I was being ironic. Quote: As for what the right and left have to say, they can suck a dick. This is a people's choice award, and if they take it away from us, then we have no awards left. No it's not a "people's choice award". The Nobel Peace Prize committee, which is separate from all the other Nobel committees (because the rest aren't a joke) consists of 5 people. 2 of them didn't want to give it to Obama.

Author:	daz28 [ Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:59 am ]
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I meant it should be a people's choice award, not any committee picked by whoever(because SOEMONE still picks the committee). I'd suggest deans from colleges, but the right would never have that. All I'm saying is that the political groups should have zero say in any of it. If there's one award in all of history you wouldn't want to ruin, or even tarnish, this would HAVE to be it.

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Author:	Godzilla1960 [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:35 am ]
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The Nobel Prize is a privately funded prize, that is awarded by a committee who are appointed by the Norwegian parliament. This is Norway's little shindig and they can do whatever they damn well want. It is not uncommon for the Norwegians to give the prize as a message or encouragement for the direction they would like to see the world take. If people don't like who they give prizes to they are welcome to fund their own prizes and come up with whatever criteria they wish. By the way, Alfred Nobel stipulated in his will that the peace prize should be awarded to the person who: "during the preceding year...shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses." According to that criteria there is no one more qualified this year than President Obama.

Author:	Hammygoodness [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:09 am ]
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Godzilla1960 wrote: The Nobel Prize is a privately funded prize, that is awarded by a committee who are appointed by the Norwegian parliament. This is Norway's little shindig and they can do whatever they damn well want. It is not uncommon for the Norwegians to give the prize as a message or encouragement for the direction they would like to see the world take. If people don't like who they give prizes to they are welcome to fund their own prizes and come up with whatever criteria they wish. By the way, Alfred Nobel stipulated in his will that the peace prize should be awarded to the person who: "during the preceding year...shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses." According to that criteria there is no one more qualified this year than President Obama. What had he done? Whether this was their chance to lay into George W. Bush, or an attempt to influence Obama's foreign policy direction, I don't know. What I do know, is that nobody believes Obama was actually deserving of this award. Ham

Author:	Wozniak [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:45 pm ]
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Crosscheck wrote: We just smoked some dudes in Pakistan with a predator this morning...that's peaceful right? to peace

Author:	Crosscheck [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:06 pm ]
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Godzilla1960 wrote: "during the preceding year...shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses." According to that criteria there is no one more qualified this year than President Obama. Did you just say that with a straight face? Abolition or reduction of standing armies? Seriously? He just doubled-down on Afghanistan to the tune of 30,000 troops. I guess now that a Democrat is in office it's ok to blow up brown people on the other side of the planet?

Author:	Godzilla1960 [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:14 pm ]
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Crosscheck wrote: Godzilla1960 wrote: "during the preceding year...shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses." According to that criteria there is no one more qualified this year than President Obama. Did you just say that with a straight face? Abolition or reduction of standing armies? Seriously? He just doubled-down on Afghanistan to the tune of 30,000 troops. I guess now that a Democrat is in office it's ok to blow up brown people on the other side of the planet? Well, there are a couple of threads to tug on here, Cross. First, Obama hadn't made the decision to send 30,000 troops into Afghanistan when the Nobel committee made their selection. Would they make the same choice today? Who knows? Personally, I wish they had not chosen Obama and I have a feeling the president feels the same way. Is it okay to blow up brown people on the other side of the planet? I'm not sure exactly what that means, but it sounds like the statement of a pacifist, which I know many liberals are. I am not. There is a scene in Woody Allen's Manhattan where someone at a party is talking about responding to a rally of neo-nazis by suggesting a strongly worded letter to the Times. Woody responds that strongly worded letters to the Times are one thing, but baseball bats are more effective. Sometimes you need to bring out the baseball bat. However, force must be employed only as a last resort and when all other options have been exhausted and even then only in the interests of national security and with a clear exit plan. One of the things that really pissed me off about Bush was that he forced me to eventually support finishing the job in Iraq. I protested that war just about every weekend in the run up to the war, organizing a peace group here in Orlando, traveling to Washington to protest, writing letters, meeting with the editorial board of the Orlando Sentinel, and trying to push an anti-war resolution through the Orlando City Council. However, once it became evident that the original Bush/Rumsfeld military plan was a hopeless failure and the U.S. was getting bogged down in an internal civil war, I had to break ranks with my fellow peace activists. I didn't want to support finishing the job in Iraq, but the implications of just pulling up stakes and leaving would be too damaging to the national interest of the United States, so I could not support those who advocated calling it a day and leaving. This is even more true of Afghanistan. Back to the Nobel Peace prize. As I said, I wish they had awarded it to someone else. However, who would that be? The committee gave it to Obama, I believe, in order to send a message of support for the re-engagement of the united States into the world community (and, as a rebuke to the policies of the previous administration). Obama did re-energize support for the United States around the world. He also sent a clear message that the U.S. is ready to talk about the problems facing the world, i.e. working for fraternity between nations. Finally, who else were they going to give it to? Who else deserves it more? It was a weak Nobel draft this year, so Obama became the #1 pick almost by default.

Author:	Crosscheck [ Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:00 pm ]
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Godzilla1960 wrote: Back to the Nobel Peace prize. As I said, I wish they had awarded it to someone else. However, who would that be? The committee gave it to Obama, I believe, in order to send a message of support for the re-engagement of the united States into the world community (and, as a rebuke to the policies of the previous administration). Obama did re-energize support for the United States around the world. He also sent a clear message that the U.S. is ready to talk about the problems facing the world, i.e. working for fraternity between nations. Finally, who else were they going to give it to? Who else deserves it more? It was a weak Nobel draft this year, so Obama became the #1 pick almost by default. Sima Samar, women’s rights activist in Afghanistan: “With dogged persistence and at great personal risk, she kept her schools and clinics open in Afghanistan even during the most repressive days of the Taliban regime, whose laws prohibited the education of girls past the age of eight. When the Taliban fell, Samar returned to Kabul and accepted the post of Minister for Women’s Affairs.” Ingrid Betancourt: French-Colombian ex-hostage held for six years. Dr. Denis Mukwege: Doctor, founder and head of Panzi Hospital in Bukavu, Democratic Republic of Congo. He has dedicated his life to helping Congolese women and girls who are victims of gang rape and brutal sexual violence. Handicap International and Cluster Munition Coalition: “These organizations are recognized for their consistently serious efforts to clean up cluster bombs, also known as land mines. Innocent civilians are regularly killed worldwide because the unseen bombs explode when stepped upon.” Hu Jia, a human rights activist and an outspoken critic of the Chinese government, who was sentenced last year to a three-and-a-half-year prison term for ‘inciting subversion of state power.’ Wei Jingsheng, who spent 17 years in Chinese prisons for urging reforms of China’s communist system. He now lives in the United States. ....but they gave it to the guy running 2 wars. Obama campaigned on the fact that he wanted to escalate Afghanistan and called it the necessary war. I don't really want to re-hash all of this, but there were more peaceful and deserving nominees.