http://www.sabresjunkie.com/forum/

2010 Election (never too early)
http://www.sabresjunkie.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1557
Page 1 of 4

Author:  Godzilla1960 [ Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:48 am ]
Post subject:  2010 Election (never too early)

The 2010 midterm election will be held on Tuesday, November 2 with at least 36 of the 100 seats in the Senate being contested and all House seats coming up for election.

The current make-up of the U.S. Senate is 58 Democrats, 40 Republicans, and two Independents. A temporary appointment currently holds the seat of Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy following his death in 2009. On January 19, 2010, there will be a special election to fill the seat.

The current make-up of the U.S. House of Representatives is 256 Democrats, 178 Republicans and one vacancy. All members of the House will face re-election in 2010. While it is unlikely that the Democratic Party will lose control of the House in 2010, historically the party that wins the White House loses seats in the following midterm elections. This, combined with the fact that Democrats currently hold a substantial majority in House, points to a likelihood that the Democrats will lose a large number of seats in the 2010.


The 2010 Congressional Election
An Overview
by Kathy Gill
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/election ... ection.htm

What is your prediction?

Author:  Godzilla1960 [ Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2010 Election (never too early)

There are also 36 gubernatorial races in 2010.

Author:  Crosscheck [ Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2010 Election (never too early)

Well...since Obama and Biden's own senate seats are in question at this point...
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/doug-heye/2 ... seats.html

...and Charlie Cook is predicting up to 20 seats lost in the House for Democrats...
http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard ... ntrol.html

Add to that the nastiness of raw politics that the health care debate has exposed and Obama's non-stop slide in popularity since his election...a congressional job disapproval of 65%...the fact that the party that wins the white house almost always loses seats in the next off-year election...

I'd say yeah, the Democrats are about to lose big.
Not enough to lose numerical control of the House or Senate, but enough to lose their rubber stamp (which they can't figure out how to use anyway).

:D

Author:  Crosscheck [ Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2010 Election (never too early)

Here's a pretty potent example of how scared Democrats have become.

Senator Ben (60th vote) Nelson tanked so much in the polls after selling his vote to Harry Reid, he's taking out a 30 second campaign ad during the Holiday Bowl game.
What's the kicker? He's not up for re-election until 2012!
http://journalstar.com/news/state-and-r ... 002e0.html

Author:  Stuuuuuuu [ Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2010 Election (never too early)

I'm voting socialist or communist only from now on if the public option is not in the final healthcare bill.

Author:  Crosscheck [ Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2010 Election (never too early)

Stuuuuuuu wrote:
I'm voting socialist or communist only from now on if the public option is not in the final healthcare bill.

Yet another reason the Democrats are going to get spanked...they're too left for the independents that put them in office and not left enough for their base. It's a lose / lose.

Author:  slesh [ Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2010 Election (never too early)

I believe the Dems are heading for a catastrophic election. And I agree, the Health Care debate exposed down right bribery and extortion on the Dems side. Many of them are going to be in big trouble come November, especially in those areas where moderate and conservative Dems currently hold office.

That was just a blatant payoff to some of those districts and the public now knows it. Reid did not do the Dems any favors by going on national TV and stating that those Senators that did not take deals were not very good reps for their states. I was actually so mad, I took my shoe off and threw it at the TV while Reid was speaking :)

Author:  Crosscheck [ Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2010 Election (never too early)

And let's not forget what Sen. Ben Nelson got for his vote....

Nebraska never has to pay their share of Medicare costs.

So if you live in a state other than Nebraska, you have a good reason to be pissed off.

Author:  slesh [ Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2010 Election (never too early)

Crosscheck wrote:
And let's not forget what Sen. Ben Nelson got for his vote....

Nebraska never has to pay their share of Medicare costs.

So if you live in a state other than Nebraska, you have a good reason to be pissed off.

You got it xcheck, and I am fucking hoping mad about it, I know you have to be.
If I was Nebraskans, I would string him up by his balls.

Author:  Hammygoodness [ Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2010 Election (never too early)

slesh wrote:
I was actually so mad, I took my shoe off and threw it at the TV while Reid was speaking :)

You're not from the Middle East, are you?

Ham

Author:  slesh [ Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2010 Election (never too early)

Hammygoodness wrote:
slesh wrote:
I was actually so mad, I took my shoe off and threw it at the TV while Reid was speaking :)

You're not from the Middle East, are you?

Ham

No Ham, but I did hava an opportunity to spend some quality time over there, both in 90-91 and 03-07 courtesy of Uncle Sam.
I'm glad you caught on to it though, I thought this type of reaction was in vogue.

:D

Author:  mechaphil [ Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 2010 Election (never too early)

I was laughing too hard to respond. Isn't throwing your shoe at someone in Iraq a sign of the highest disdain for them?

Author:  slesh [ Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2010 Election (never too early)

mechaphil wrote:
I was laughing too hard to respond. Isn't throwing your shoe at someone in Iraq a sign of the highest disdain for them?

Correct Phil, it is a muslims way of showing disgust/disdain/disrespect to someone. Not just in Iraq, but other Muslim nations as well.

I just thought Reid deserved some feedback internationally on his "Hijacking" of the American people's money. I can only hope to throw the other shoe when Nancy "the no nothing" Polesi gets infront of the Camera. :mrgreen:

Author:  iceilypolite [ Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2010 Election (never too early)

Prayers need to go out to Rush Limbaigh, "champion of values such as life, liberty, and the free market, was rushed to the hospital in Hawaii this evening and, according to reports, may be in "serious" condition." Appranetly, pramedics were called when Rush complained of chest pains and he has been taken to an area hospital.

Author:  Godzilla1960 [ Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2010 Election (never too early)

From a 2010 campaign letter by Rep. Pete Sessions, a Texas Republican, who chairs the National Republican Congressional Committee.

Dear Supporter,

In the last year, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, and their allies have put our country on a dangerous path toward bankruptcy and strict government control.

They have sent our national debt soaring over $12 trillion, hired and fired private sector CEOs, proposed hundreds of new taxes and hijacked our health care system. In just one year, liberals have altered the course of this country so dramatically that current U.S. policy is almost unrecognizable from the conservative values on which we built this country.

America cannot survive on this new course. Fortunately 2010 offers us a chance to hold the far left accountable and elect Representatives who will stand up for our American values in Congress.


Wow! "America cannot survive." I can see how this election is going to go.


Author:  PuckSniperPensel [ Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2010 Election (never too early)

The democrat and republican parties both need to be disbanded.

Both of them are pathetically useless and full of marionettes who, controlled by corporations and individuals alike, dance for special interests rather than the interests of the United States and its people.

Anyone else tired of watching these jackasses trying to maintain control instead of maintain our country's integrity and prosperity?

An excerpt from George Washington's farewell address:

Quote:
I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.


AKA- I've already voiced my concerns with partisan politics. Let me explain further why.

Quote:
This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but in those of the popular form it is seen in its greatest rankness and is truly their worst enemy....

It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another; foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passion. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.


Partisan politics create an emotional link between politician and his affiliation, damaging and potentially destroying any focus at the real task at hand; doing things to help accomplish the short and long term goals of the United States and its people.

Quote:
There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government, and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose; and there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be by force of public opinion to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.


Some people will tell you that partisan politics is a useful system of checks within each branch of government. In reality, it only creates bickering, and when compared to nonpartisan democracies, provides even less protection against corruption.

So I will say, fuck political parties.

Author:  slesh [ Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2010 Election (never too early)

PuckSniperPensel wrote:
The democrat and republican parties both need to be disbanded.

Both of them are pathetically useless and full of marionettes who, controlled by corporations and individuals alike, dance for special interests rather than the interests of the United States and its people.

Anyone else tired of watching these jackasses trying to maintain control instead of maintain our country's integrity and prosperity?

An excerpt from George Washington's farewell address:

Quote:
I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.


AKA- I've already voiced my concerns with partisan politics. Let me explain further why.

Quote:
This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but in those of the popular form it is seen in its greatest rankness and is truly their worst enemy....

It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another; foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passion. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.


Partisan politics create an emotional link between politician and his affiliation, damaging and potentially destroying any focus at the real task at hand; doing things to help accomplish the short and long term goals of the United States and its people.

Quote:
There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government, and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose; and there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be by force of public opinion to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.


Some people will tell you that partisan politics is a useful system of checks within each branch of government. In reality, it only creates bickering, and when compared to nonpartisan democracies, provides even less protection against corruption.

So I will say, fuck political parties.

PSP, this is a very well written post, and utilizing the concerns of George Washington was, is and will be the warning that Americans either wake and heed or suffer the consequences of the failure to do so.
Very well done sir.

Also, I have been an shall continue to be an ardent supporter of Ron Paul. He has some shortcomings, but he speaks the truth. Hard to find in Washington D.C.

Author:  Godzilla1960 [ Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2010 Election (never too early)

You should read Madison's Federalist Paper #10, PSP. He makes the argument against political parties, which he called "factions." Madison said there are two ways to limit the damage caused by political parties: either remove the causes of political parties or control their effects.

I don't think the first is possible and the second would require severe restrictions on some guaranteed freedoms.

Author:  slesh [ Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2010 Election (never too early)

Godzilla1960 wrote:
You should read Madison's Federalist Paper #10, PSP. He makes the argument against political parties, which he called "factions." Madison said there are two ways to limit the damage caused by political parties: either remove the causes of political parties or control their effects.

I don't think the first is possible and the second would require severe restrictions on some guaranteed freedoms.

I have read all of the Federalist Papers Godzilla, I wrote my final term paper on Assumption and was a student of early American history. The real power for the first 46 years of this nation did not rest in the executive nor the legislative branch. It was with the supreme court, the first court and its officers were the trail blazers that established the precedents that are still looked upon to this day in awe by most everyone.

Although John Jay was the First chief judge of the United States Supreme Court it was John Marshall, who served 34 years as chief judge and the associate judges he worked with who set many of these precedents. He served under Washington at Valley Forge and the remainder of the war, was secretary of state and a distant cousin to Jefferson.

The court he presided over and their rulings are still debated to this day. I actually had the priviledge of sitting in on a mock XYZ Affair trial at the Army War College and Marshall was an envoy to France at this time.

Some great stuff, the founding fathers and the supporting cast of men who forged this nation had some of the greatest minds this country and the world for that matter, have ever known. I highly recommend anyone to read in depth the Marbury v. Madison case and subsequently, the other cases that Marshall's court ruled on. Truly a forward thinking man and one who General Washington entrusted much with at Valley Forge. A testament to George Washingtons ability to read the character of men very well.

Not to mention the Assumption battle between Hamilton and Jefferson. I myself am an opponent of a Federal Banking system, but in this case I believe Hamilton was correct to push for its establishment. I am also a proponent of Jefferson abolishing this system, the greatest threat to American freedoms and liberties.

Truly great men, truly astounding times with epic battles of will over ideology.

Author:  CriminallyVu1gar [ Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2010 Election (never too early)

There is a party already that doesn't solicit corporate campaign donations...hmmm

Page 1 of 4 All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
http://www.phpbb.com/