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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Mayo clinic in Az. to stop accepting Medicare patients |
...Because our wonderful government run plan doesn't pay enough. That's not a dirty insurance company being greedy...that's actual doctors not getting paid enough for it to make business sense. Quote: The Mayo organization had 3,700 staff physicians and scientists and treated 526,000 patients in 2008. It lost $840 million last year on Medicare, the government’s health program for the disabled and those 65 and older, Mayo spokeswoman Lynn Closway said. 1 hospital.....losing $840 million in 1 year.... Feel like subsidizing that, citizen? http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... oYSI84VdL0 |
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| Author: | daz28 [ Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mayo clinic in Az. to stop accepting Medicare patients |
I don't know how medicaid billing works, but this thing seems real strange to me. If one's insurance(medicaid) didn't cover the entire amount of the care, then why don't they ask the patient to pay the rest?? I can't believe they just take what medicaid is offering, and let the patient off the hook for the rest. I also can't believe they would cut all medicaid patients? They CERTAINLY can't all afford to pay cash, like they want them to, and how is losing all your customers going to help you fiscally? Maybe someone can make some sense of this for me please? |
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| Author: | Hammygoodness [ Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mayo clinic in Az. to stop accepting Medicare patients |
Whoah, wait a minute here. How is cutting all your customers going to make sense financially? Well, when you're operating at a loss with those customers, cutting them out certainly does make sense. See if you can make sense of this. Ham |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Sun Jan 03, 2010 11:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mayo clinic in Az. to stop accepting Medicare patients |
daz28 wrote: They CERTAINLY can't all afford to pay cash, like they want them to, and how is losing all your customers going to help you fiscally? They're not losing ALL their customers...just the ones that don't pay up. Seems 100% fiscally responsible to me. |
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| Author: | daz28 [ Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mayo clinic in Az. to stop accepting Medicare patients |
You guys are missing the point. Why don't they make the medicare CUSTOMERS responsible for the REST of the cost of the care. Simply removing them completely can't be a good idea. Are they figuring they will just charge the remaining customers triple to make up for the lost revenue(and yes, the money they were getting form medicaid WAS revenue). It seems their plan is to cut staff and costs by about 80%, and charge the remaining customers exhorbitantly(if they can even afford to pay it). Sounds like a shit plan to me. Only offer care to zillionaire's?? Again, why did they ONLY accept the medicaid money, and let the customer off the hook for the rest? Does anyone know? I know if your insurance carrier only covers so much you are responsible for the remainder, right?? Hammygoodness wrote: See if you can make sense of this Ham Is this weak sarcasm?? sounds like it to me. |
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| Author: | Hammygoodness [ Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mayo clinic in Az. to stop accepting Medicare patients |
Actually, I found it to be quite poignant. Take away a section of your business that is in the tank and your business improves. Ham |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mayo clinic in Az. to stop accepting Medicare patients |
daz28 wrote: You guys are missing the point. Why don't they make the medicare CUSTOMERS responsible for the REST of the cost of the care. Simply removing them completely can't be a good idea. RTFA Quote: More than 3,000 patients eligible for Medicare, the government’s largest health-insurance program, will be forced to pay cash if they want to continue seeing their doctors at a Mayo family clinic in Glendale daz28 wrote: Again, why did they ONLY accept the medicaid money, and let the customer off the hook for the rest? Does anyone know? I know if your insurance carrier only covers so much you are responsible for the remainder, right?? There are most likely laws / regulations / restrictions that make it impossible. /the government likes you nice and poor or they don't help you at all. |
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| Author: | Godzilla1960 [ Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mayo clinic in Az. to stop accepting Medicare patients |
My problem with the whole issue is that health care should not be a business. The primary purpose of a business is to maximize profit. Health care should be about maintaining the health of the nation. If we could just remove the all-capitalism, all-the-time blinders for just a minute, we could see that single payer, government run health care is actually good for business. Currently health care costs the average business 15.4% of the payroll. However, absenteeism costs businesses 36% of their payroll. By switching to a system that puts the focus on keeping people healthy business (and the country) benefits by having a healthier, more productive workforce. |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mayo clinic in Az. to stop accepting Medicare patients |
Godzilla1960 wrote: My problem with the whole issue is that health care should not be a business. The primary purpose of a business is to maximize profit. My mother was kept alive for years at the hands of fine doctors at the Cleveland clinic at a net loss to them. On private insurance. Once again I put out the fact that the Federal Government rejects more health insurance claims by volume and percentage than any private insurer. Don't convince me private is bad...convince me the Federal government could, in fantasy, be marginally better. |
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| Author: | Squanto [ Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mayo clinic in Az. to stop accepting Medicare patients |
Crosscheck wrote: My mother was kept alive for years at the hands of fine doctors at the Cleveland clinic at a net loss to them. On private insurance. The first sentence is how the system should be. The second sentence shouldn't matter. I don't care if we have a public system, private system, a hybrid of both, something outsourced from Canada, or the two old guys from the Muppet show running around with a jug of Robitussin and some anal probes. Care comes first, profit margins second. |
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| Author: | Montalo [ Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mayo clinic in Az. to stop accepting Medicare patients |
Squanto wrote: Care comes first, profit margins second. that, i can agree with 100% |
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