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Author:  SchonyGal [ Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:37 pm ]
Post subject:  NYS residents - excise taxes (cigarettes)
Another way to bleed NYS dry. It's not like the proposed increase will go to health care. When they target a certain demographic and that fails, Patterson resurrects his idea to go after the Indian Reservations again. We all know how that turns out :o If you're a NYS resident and you've had enough whether you smoke or not, feel free to reply to your County Legislator. If they don't tax the smokes, they'll go after your beer next ;)
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On Tuesday, New York Governor David Patterson proposed increasing the state excise tax on cigarettes by $1.00 per pack.

If passed, adult smokers would pay $3.75 per pack in state excise taxes–the HIGHEST in the country. In addition to the Federal Excise Tax increase of $1.01 per pack–Federal and state excise taxes will total $47.60 per carton! When will enough be enough?

Instead of finding real solutions to New York’s serious budget problems, politicians continue to talk about quick fixes like tobacco taxes. But tobacco taxes are an unreliable source of revenue—and they place an unfair burden on a small minority of New Yorkers to balance the state’s budget.

New York politicians need to get their spending under control, and balance the budget without raising taxes—on tobacco or anything else.

Contact your legislators today and remind them that raising your taxes to fix their spending habits is STILL a bad idea!

Contact your elected official by calling (866) 722-8669 -OR-
CLICK HERE TO E-MAIL YOUR LEGISLATORS NOW
http://www.tobaccoissues.com/alertdetai ... ertID=1054
Author:  Crosscheck [ Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:51 pm ]
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Keep electing democrats people......
Author:  ironyisadeadscene [ Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:57 pm ]
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tax the shit out of cigs. shits filthy anyways.

im all for a modest tax raise here in michigan, if it gets us out of the red, and the tax money is spent on something to invest in the state and bring prosperity back here. why on earth we arnt using lake michigan beaches to create resorts and tourist areas, i have no fucking clue.
Author:  End The Curse [ Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:03 pm ]
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Taxing cigarettes is counterproductive. As I've said in other threads, smoking has been proven to reduce obesity, so if anything they should subsidize tobacco and provide it medicinally to those with qualifying BMIs.

Here's my slogan:

President Obama smokes and he's thin. :clap:

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Michael Moore doesn't smoke and he's fat. :naughty:

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Be like Barak Obama, and smoke your body fat away!
Author:  Crosscheck [ Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:13 pm ]
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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
tax the shit out of cigs. shits filthy anyways.

Um, they already are. What is your threshold for "taxing the shit" out of something?
Name 1 thing taxed more than cigarettes.

Democrats have no fucking imagination.
Hey, we've run up a huge deficit because we refuse to cut any of our bloated social programs...what can we do?

Tax cigarettes, gas and liquor...brilliant!
Certainly that will solve the cause of our problems.
Author:  Squanto [ Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:16 pm ]
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Crosscheck wrote:
Keep electing democrats people......


This is New York. Poor governmental decisions aren't limited to one political party. The Repubs have done just as much stupid shit.
Author:  Crosscheck [ Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:18 pm ]
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Squanto wrote:
Crosscheck wrote:
Keep electing democrats people......


This is New York. Poor governmental decisions aren't limited to one political party. The Repubs have done just as much stupid shit.

When is the last time Repubs were in control?

EDIT: Let me answer that for myself:
Quote:
The Assembly is dominated by the Democrats, who currently hold a 63-seat supermajority in the chamber. The Assembly's apportionment strongly favors the state's traditional Democratic strongholds of New York City (where the Democrats hold all but one seat), Western New York and the Capital District. The Democrats have controlled the Assembly since 1975, and for all but five years since 1959.
Author:  ironyisadeadscene [ Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:19 pm ]
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Crosscheck wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
tax the shit out of cigs. shits filthy anyways.

Um, they already are. What is your threshold for "taxing the shit" out of something?
Name 1 thing taxed more than cigarettes.

Democrats have no fucking imagination.
Hey, we've run up a huge deficit because we refuse to cut any of our bloated social programs...what can we do?

Tax cigarettes, gas and liquor...brilliant!
Certainly that will solve the cause of our problems.


tax em right out of peoples budgets. im for a ban on public smoking. michigan is finally going smoke free in all bars and restaurants may 1st. cant wait.
Author:  Crosscheck [ Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:21 pm ]
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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
tax em right out of peoples budgets. im for a ban on public smoking. michigan is finally going smoke free in all bars and restaurants may 1st. cant wait.

Fascist.
Author:  Squanto [ Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:26 pm ]
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Crosscheck wrote:
Squanto wrote:
Crosscheck wrote:
Keep electing democrats people......


This is New York. Poor governmental decisions aren't limited to one political party. The Repubs have done just as much stupid shit.

When is the last time Repubs were in control?


Are you serious? The NY State Senate has been controlled by Republicans for years. Only in the last 5-ish years have the Democrats started regaining control of that house.

Even then, you know how NY works. 3 men in a room make all the decisions.
Author:  Crosscheck [ Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:33 pm ]
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51 years of Democratic control of the assembly.

Tell me...to what party do the people proposing this tax (aside from Patterson) belong?
Author:  Squanto [ Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:37 pm ]
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The Republicans have had the Senate for almost as long. What's your point?

Neither party has done a damn thing for this state. How can you legitimately try and blame this on Democrats?
Author:  Crosscheck [ Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:46 pm ]
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Squanto wrote:
How can you legitimately try and blame this on Democrats?

Because Democrats are proposing the tax.
Author:  SchonyGal [ Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:47 pm ]
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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
tax em right out of peoples budgets. im for a ban on public smoking. michigan is finally going smoke free in all bars and restaurants may 1st. cant wait.


People haven't been able to smoke in NYS bars, restaurants, and most public places (or are confined to an "area") for 6 years. It hasn't stopped those who want to smoke from doing so. If anything, it's killed the Mom & Pop establishments - or they've resorted to keeping a locked door with a peep hole and you pay a dollar to get in and smoke. The dollar goes towards their paying the fine if they get caught.

"Taxing the shit out of people's budgets" isn't going to make people stop smoking. It will force even more to purchase cigarettes at Indian Reservations - further reducing the money NYS collects. It's all cyclical.

I think you missed the point of my post. We're talking about; "If passed, adult smokers would pay $3.75 per pack in state excise taxes–the HIGHEST in the country. In addition to the Federal Excise Tax increase of $1.01 per pack–Federal and state excise taxes will total $47.60 per carton!"

How much more can they try to get out of us? They should focus on the reason why we're in this mess and figure out a way to stop people from leaving in droves.

Let me ask ETC, XC, and Mike - what does a pack of name brand cigarettes cost in your state?
Author:  ironyisadeadscene [ Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:49 pm ]
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i dont know. im not stupid enough to smoke cigarettes. cigars? sure. cigarettes? hell no. last time i bought cigarettes was for underagers when i was 18. it was about 5 bucks a pack.
Author:  End The Curse [ Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:52 pm ]
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SchonyGal wrote:
Let me ask ETC, XC, and Mike - what does a pack of name brand cigarettes cost in your state?

No clue. Unfortunately, I'm not a cigarette smoker. A decent stogey will run a good $5.00 on average, though.
Author:  Crosscheck [ Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:53 pm ]
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SchonyGal wrote:
Let me ask ETC, XC, and Mike - what does a pack of name brand cigarettes cost in your state?

Something like $6.50 here in Cali.
I quit smoking last year but I would never try to infringe on someone elses right to happiness.

You want to stop people from smoking? outlaw it.
That'll work as well as the war on drugs.

They're coming for fast food and soft drinks next.
Author:  Crosscheck [ Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:54 pm ]
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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
i dont know. im not stupid enough to smoke cigarettes.

This is your problem right there...
Stunning.


You think you're smarter than other people and have no problem having your will imposed on them for what you percieve as their own good.

You are a fascist.
Author:  Squanto [ Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:55 pm ]
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Crosscheck wrote:
Squanto wrote:
How can you legitimately try and blame this on Democrats?

Because Democrats are proposing the tax.


But let's not talk about the increases voted in during the Pataki/Bruno days. Let's just make it partisan for no good reason.

The point is that no matter what party is in control in this state, they are going to increase taxes on something, or make decisions that aren't in the best interests of the people of this state. Both parties are equally to blame for the fucked up condition that the state is in.

Your golden boy Republicans are right next to the Democrats in refusing the do anything to reduce the state deficits. So, Patterson ends up grasping at straws, and coming up with stuff like this.

Personally, I don't much care, since I don't smoke. (Nor do I think others should either, but that's another topic.) I just can't believe that you could possibly defend any Republican actions in this state. They're just as bad.
Author:  CriminallyVu1gar [ Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:57 pm ]
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Crosscheck wrote:
SchonyGal wrote:
Let me ask ETC, XC, and Mike - what does a pack of name brand cigarettes cost in your state?

Something like $6.50 here in Cali.
I quit smoking last year but I would never try to infringe on someone elses right to happiness.

You want to stop people from smoking? outlaw it.
That'll work as well as the war on drugs.

They're coming for fast food and soft drinks next.


That's where I agree with you and disagree with Mike. You can't pass legislature to mandate that someone do something "for their own good," no matter how true it might be.

For the record I've never smoked, and I don't miss it in restaurants and bowling alleys. I think those of us that choose not to have a right to the clean air those laws provide.
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