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Author:  Godzilla1960 [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Liberal, tree-hugging Pentagon worried about global warming
The Pentagon is concerned that global climate change will seriously undermine American security in the coming years.

Those bleeding-heart liberal military guys will believe anything.

;)

Pentagon to rank global warming as destabilising force
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ja ... sing-force
Author:  Crosscheck [ Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberal, tree-hugging Pentagon worried about global warming
Certainly, when I look for inside DoD info I turn to the Guardian.

Let's see here...a couple pf initial problems
First, I see two people principally cited....
Christine Parthemore, an analyst at the Centre for a New American Security, A DC think tank of about 30 people several of whom work for the Obama Administration.

Dorothy Robyn, deputy undersecretary of defense for the environment. Who, by job title alone thinks about global warming and oil spills all day long.

Second problem.
The DoD has contingency plans for a full scale alien invasion...that doesn't prove the existence of aliens now does it?
Author:  Captain Pants [ Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:43 am ]
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forgive me if i'm making a mistake... But are you trying to discredit those cited because they're experts in their field of study?
Author:  Godzilla1960 [ Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberal, tree-hugging Pentagon worried about global warming
Can we end this process of casually dismissing information from legitimate news sources because we personally might not like them? The Guardian is one of the most respected newpapers in the world. It has an international reputation and until you can show that their reporting is consistently unreliable then attacking the messenger without addressing the message is nothing more than an evasion.

By the way, I can find no evidence that the Pentagon has a contingency plan for an alien invasion.
Author:  End The Curse [ Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:30 am ]
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Godzilla1960 wrote:
Can we end this process of casually dismissing information from legitimate news sources because we personally might not like them?

I guess that means no more Fox bashing... ;)
Author:  Squanto [ Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:31 am ]
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I would hope that if there's going to be an article about climate change , they would interview people knowledgeable about, I dunno, climate change.

Complaining about that is like complaining that someone interviewed an oncologist in an article about lung cancers. Makes no sense.
Author:  Squanto [ Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:32 am ]
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End The Curse wrote:
I guess that means no more Fox bashing... ;)


Hey, every time I bash Fox, I can provide a legitimate reason why they did something I feel is inappropriate.
Author:  End The Curse [ Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:42 am ]
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Squanto wrote:
End The Curse wrote:
I guess that means no more Fox bashing... ;)


Hey, every time I bash Fox, I can provide a legitimate reason why they did something I feel is inappropriate.

Hey, in the internets era one can find something inappropriate on everything and everyone, so bashing material is never in short supply. It's actually quite maddening. In fact, I'm googling you right now...

:shock:


Worse than I thought.
Author:  Squanto [ Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:43 am ]
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Wait until you hit page 10..... :)
Author:  End The Curse [ Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:50 am ]
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Squanto wrote:
Wait until you hit page 10..... :)

Wow... I know you were drunk, but midgets and barnyard animals? AAAAGGHHH!!! I know too much!
Author:  Godzilla1960 [ Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberal, tree-hugging Pentagon worried about global warming
End The Curse wrote:
Godzilla1960 wrote:
Can we end this process of casually dismissing information from legitimate news sources because we personally might not like them?

I guess that means no more Fox bashing... ;)

I accept FOX news as a legitimate news outlet. I don't like their editorial policy and I think they have a definite slant to their coverage, but until I have evidence that they are making up stories (I don't think I would trust their coverage of the tea party movement - they admit to credibility issues there) then their stories are as valid as anyone else's.
Author:  Crosscheck [ Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberal, tree-hugging Pentagon worried about global warming
Godzilla1960 wrote:
Can we end this process of casually dismissing information from legitimate news sources because we personally might not like them?

I learned it from you.

and I don't care how respected the Guardian is, if I want inside DoD information I ask my Dad, not a foreign newspaper.

Quote:
By the way, I can find no evidence that the Pentagon has a contingency plan for an alien invasion.

Right, because they don't tell reporters and the general public browsing the internet about contingency plans.

...and look...an almost identical story...from the Guardian...from 2004
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... heobserver
But that report from 2004 was actually commissioned by a think tank and not the Pentagon itself and the findings were never forwarded to Sec. Def. Rumsfeld.

as a matter of fact, when I do a google search for "pentagon global warming" the only real results I get are the guardian or liberal blogs citing the guardian.
Author:  Godzilla1960 [ Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberal, tree-hugging Pentagon worried about global warming
Ok, let's play the game of I'll-only-read-the-sources-that-I agree-with-ideologically. Knowing the country's paper of record, The New York Times, won't do, how about The Hill, the non-partisan newspaper covering the U.S. Congress?

Pentagon review to address climate change for the first time
http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... first-time

Or you can go directly to the Pentagon's Quadrennial Defence Review and read the primary source. Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Michèle Flournoy says, in part,

"Global climate change. I believe that over time, as the results of this manifest, it's going to be an accelerant. It's going to accelerate state failure in some cases, accelerate mass migration, spread of disease, and even possibly insurgency in some areas as weak governments fail to cope with the effects of global climate change."

Rebalancing the Force: Major Issues for QDR 2010
http://www.defense.gov/qdr/transcripts_ ... 90429.html
Author:  Crosscheck [ Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:01 pm ]
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"I believe"
Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Michèle Flournoy
:lol:

It's the "belief" of the author of a Pentagon report that climate change will affect the future battlefield.

I believe the Sabres will win tonight.

What exactly is your point?
Oh, wait...I know
ZOMWTFBBQ!!!!! I told you so!!!! Al Gore was right!!!
Author:  Crosscheck [ Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberal, tree-hugging Pentagon worried about global warming
You know...I just read through that QDR and kept thinking over and over to myself it had a rather partisan spin and world view.

"Economic downturn causing...increased inequality"
return to the rule of law to regain international respect
There are serious problems the military can't solve (then why put it in your report sweetheart?)
She quoted Joe Biden favorably

So I decide to find out who she is....oh here she is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mich%C3%A8le_Flournoy

She used to work for Clinton...was featured in a NY Observer column titled "Hot Policy Wonks for the Democrats".
She and her husband founded a left-leaning national security think tank.
...and Politico lists her among "15 Obama Administration Power Couples"
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/06 ... Page2.html

Credibility smashed. I don't care who reports on it.
Author:  Godzilla1960 [ Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:39 pm ]
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Really, Cross? Nobody has credibility who isn't a regular on FOX news? All Democrats and liberals are liars and their information is completely untrustworthy, even if their ideas appear as part of the nation's defense review?

Even the Pentagon is in on the vast left-wing conspiracy, eh? I didn't expect you to take the title of the thread literally.

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Author:  Squanto [ Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberal, tree-hugging Pentagon worried about global warming
So, let me get this straight.

The Pentagon is considering the effects that a changing climate could have on future battlefields and American security. They aren't commenting on the source of climate change, or even saying with 100% certainty that it's even happening, they're just putting together some 'what if's' on the topic.

Seems pretty reasonable to me. What's the indignation all about?
Author:  Crosscheck [ Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberal, tree-hugging Pentagon worried about global warming
Let's see where the source of animosity comes from in this thread:

"Liberal, tree-hugging Pentagon worried about global warming"

Thought that was a cute title didn't you?
Sorry to prove it correct.

Although I hate to involve the thousands of other Pentagon employees...you know...ones that aren't civilian appointees.
Maybe we could edit it to something like:
"Lifetime Democrat agrees with left leaning world view and inserts those ideas into a Pentagon report"
no...that doesn't really have a good ring to it.

You want to see the best part of that report...this little gem right here:
Quote:
Finally, a sixth principle: We must recognize in everything that we do that in almost all cases, military power - well, I don't want to say it that way. Let me back up and say we must recognize that in many cases, military power is necessary but not sufficient to deal with 21st century challenges.


Damn...she almost said it....
Author:  Godzilla1960 [ Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberal, tree-hugging Pentagon worried about global warming
Crosscheck wrote:
Maybe we could edit it to something like:
"Lifetime Democrat agrees with left leaning world view and inserts those ideas into a Pentagon report"
no...that doesn't really have a good ring to it.

You are right. What is missing is the ring of truth.
Author:  NYIntensity [ Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Liberal, tree-hugging Pentagon worried about global warming
Godzilla1960 wrote:
Crosscheck wrote:
Maybe we could edit it to something like:
"Lifetime Democrat agrees with left leaning world view and inserts those ideas into a Pentagon report"
no...that doesn't really have a good ring to it.

You are right. What is missing is the ring of truth.

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