:: View topic - 49 states get snow. Canada? Not so much.

Today 49 states in the Union have been dusted with snow, including the panhandle of Florida. Only Hawaii refuses to join in the reindeer games.

Meanwhile, the Winter Olympics start tonight and Vancouver can't buy a snow flake.

Tell me our weather patterns aren't screwed up.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100212/ap_ ... es_of_snow

vancouver has the same climate as seattle. they dont recieve much snow there. weather is extreme all the time. sure, this is a rarity, but its certainly nothing to worry about.

Godzilla1960 wrote:

It's 70 degrees here but we technically have snow...at 6000 feet...where we always have snow.
I think people are busting out this statistic because Florida and Louisiana got it.

^^My parents are driving through there now on the way to Florida. My mom called me about an hour ago and said there wasn't much snow but they already saw a lot of cars off the road.

I guess it's true that snow isn't well-handled down there!

Global Warming ... wha?!?

Rutledge222 wrote:

Global Warming ... wha?!?

I hesitate to wade into this debate, given that one side disdains science as a method for discussing global warming, but yes, global warming can cause heavy snowfall.

The northeast and Atlantic coast are not experiencing record cold weather, they are experiencing record snowfall (i.e. precipitation). Warmer air temperatures create more moisture in the air. This has been the warmest decade in recorded history and 2009 was the second warmest year since 1880, when modern temperature measurement began (the warmest was 2005 and all of the warmest years have occured since 1998).

Warmer air = more moisture in the air.

When moist air mixes with temperatures cold enough to snow, the result is increased snowfall (meterology 101). Statistically, the Baltimore / Washington DC area should expect snowfalls of 16+ inches every 25 years, and 22+ inches every 100 years. Yet, these cities (and the rest of the Atlantic coast) got, not just one storm of the century, but two, just days apart.

I know people who ignore science and have made up their minds for political reasons will poo-poo all of the mountains of data, preferring to focus on the variabilities of weather over trends in climate and jump on small inconsistencies in data.

Nothing to worry about, they will say. Just a big liberal conspiracy.

Our children and grandchildren will damn us to hell, and rightly so.

im a liberal, but im also well versed in weather. i dont buy global warming.

ironyisadeadscene wrote:

im a liberal, but im also well versed in weather. i dont buy global warming.

Why?

Author:	Godzilla1960 [ Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:35 pm ]
Post subject:	49 states get snow. Canada? Not so much.
Today 49 states in the Union have been dusted with snow, including the panhandle of Florida. Only Hawaii refuses to join in the reindeer games. Meanwhile, the Winter Olympics start tonight and Vancouver can't buy a snow flake. Tell me our weather patterns aren't screwed up. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100212/ap_ ... es_of_snow

Author:	ironyisadeadscene [ Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:39 pm ]
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vancouver has the same climate as seattle. they dont recieve much snow there. weather is extreme all the time. sure, this is a rarity, but its certainly nothing to worry about.

Author:	Crosscheck [ Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:43 pm ]
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Godzilla1960 wrote: Today 49 states in the Union have been dusted with snow, including the panhandle of Florida. Only Hawaii refuses to join in the reindeer games. Meanwhile, the Winter Olympics start tonight and Vancouver can't buy a snow flake. Tell me our weather patterns aren't screwed up. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100212/ap_ ... es_of_snow It's 70 degrees here but we technically have snow...at 6000 feet...where we always have snow. I think people are busting out this statistic because Florida and Louisiana got it.

Author:	ironyisadeadscene [ Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:53 pm ]
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even miami has had measurable snow before.

Author:	Stuuuuuuu [ Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:55 pm ]
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ironyisadeadscene wrote: vancouver has the same climate as seattle. they dont recieve much snow there. weather is extreme all the time. sure, this is a rarity, but its certainly nothing to worry about. This is true, we rarely get snow in the Northwest compared to the same latitude in the Great Plains, the Great lakes, or the East coast. However like Xcheck said about California, the higher elevations are a different story. The mountain events for these games are in places that normally are absolutely blanketed in snow, in totals that would put resorts like those in western NY, the Laurentiennes, and New England to shame. The lack of snow on Whistler is pretty damn unusual.

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Author:	acrossthelines [ Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:00 pm ]
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Crosscheck wrote: Godzilla1960 wrote: Today 49 states in the Union have been dusted with snow, including the panhandle of Florida. Only Hawaii refuses to join in the reindeer games. Meanwhile, the Winter Olympics start tonight and Vancouver can't buy a snow flake. Tell me our weather patterns aren't screwed up. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100212/ap_ ... es_of_snow It's 70 degrees here but we technically have snow...at 6000 feet...where we always have snow. I think people are busting out this statistic because Florida and Louisiana got it. Arizona had snow when I went there the April I turned fourteen. Of course, I was in the mountains (which are beautiful)...

Author:	Skyline_BNR34 [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:11 am ]
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It's snowing right now in NC, for the second time in two weeks.

Author:	Sabres2Sabres [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:22 am ]
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^^My parents are driving through there now on the way to Florida. My mom called me about an hour ago and said there wasn't much snow but they already saw a lot of cars off the road. I guess it's true that snow isn't well-handled down there!

Author:	Skyline_BNR34 [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:25 am ]
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Sabres2Sabres wrote: ^^My parents are driving through there now on the way to Florida. My mom called me about an hour ago and said there wasn't much snow but they already saw a lot of cars off the road. I guess it's true that snow isn't well-handled down there! Nope it's not, the only roads that will be clear will be the Interstate, but it's more of idiotic drivers. The roads aren't bad, or weren't at 10pm while I was coming home, mostly a slush in parts but basically it;s still just wet, my neighborhood rood is just wet right now. But it is still coming down pretty strong still.

Author:	fly as hale [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:07 am ]
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People just don't know how to drive in the snow if they have never experienced it before. I remember my parents giving me a whole rundown on how to drive in the snow when I first started driving. ("This is what you do if your car starts to slide..." "I know the roads don't look bad right now, but it's REALLY slippery out." "Be careful on the 219, it's always the worst for white outs...")

Author:	ironyisadeadscene [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:44 am ]
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are you sure it didnt snow in hawaii? it snows in the mountains regularly there.

Author:	Captain Pants [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:09 pm ]
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I'm living with a few people from BC at school right now. Some of them had NEVER seen snow other than on whistler until they came here

Author:	Rutledge222 [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:17 pm ]
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Global Warming ... wha?!?

Author:	Godzilla1960 [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:09 pm ]
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Rutledge222 wrote: Global Warming ... wha?!? I hesitate to wade into this debate, given that one side disdains science as a method for discussing global warming, but yes, global warming can cause heavy snowfall. The northeast and Atlantic coast are not experiencing record cold weather, they are experiencing record snowfall (i.e. precipitation). Warmer air temperatures create more moisture in the air. This has been the warmest decade in recorded history and 2009 was the second warmest year since 1880, when modern temperature measurement began (the warmest was 2005 and all of the warmest years have occured since 1998). Warmer air = more moisture in the air. When moist air mixes with temperatures cold enough to snow, the result is increased snowfall (meterology 101). Statistically, the Baltimore / Washington DC area should expect snowfalls of 16+ inches every 25 years, and 22+ inches every 100 years. Yet, these cities (and the rest of the Atlantic coast) got, not just one storm of the century, but two, just days apart. I know people who ignore science and have made up their minds for political reasons will poo-poo all of the mountains of data, preferring to focus on the variabilities of weather over trends in climate and jump on small inconsistencies in data. Nothing to worry about, they will say. Just a big liberal conspiracy. Our children and grandchildren will damn us to hell, and rightly so.

Author:	Godzilla1960 [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:46 pm ]
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Yes, the earth does go through cycles. However, there are natural cycles and there are trends outside of those cycles. We are currently in a trend outside the parameters of any normal cycle and the evidence points to a human cause for that aberration. Consider three facts that are not in dispute: - Carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide are gases in the atmosphere that absorb and emit radiation within the thermal infrared range, trapping heat within the surface-troposphere system, causing heating at the surface of the planet. - Over the past 800,000 years, ice core data shows unambiguously that carbon dioxide has varied from values as low as 180 parts per million (ppm) to the pre-industrial level of 280 ppm. Over the past 10,000 years (the last glacial period until the start of the industrial era) the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide remained between 260 and 280 ppm. Current levels (2009) are at 383 ppm, meaning that global atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide (as well as methane and nitrous oxide) have increased dramatically since 1750 (the beginning of the Industrial Revolution), far outside the range of "reciprocal patterns." - This decade has been the warmest for the planet since humans have kept records, with 2005 the warmest year on record, followed by 2009 (the warmest years on record have all occurred since 1998). These are facts, not opinions, not interpretations, not computer models. Are these facts to be ignored?

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Author:	Rutledge222 [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:11 pm ]
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Godzilla1960 wrote: Rutledge222 wrote: Global Warming ... wha?!? I hesitate to wade into this debate, given that one side disdains science as a method for discussing global warming, but yes, global warming can cause heavy snowfall. The northeast and Atlantic coast are not experiencing record cold weather, they are experiencing record snowfall (i.e. precipitation). Warmer air temperatures create more moisture in the air. This has been the warmest decade in recorded history and 2009 was the second warmest year since 1880, when modern temperature measurement began (the warmest was 2005 and all of the warmest years have occured since 1998). Warmer air = more moisture in the air. When moist air mixes with temperatures cold enough to snow, the result is increased snowfall (meterology 101). Statistically, the Baltimore / Washington DC area should expect snowfalls of 16+ inches every 25 years, and 22+ inches every 100 years. Yet, these cities (and the rest of the Atlantic coast) got, not just one storm of the century, but two, just days apart. I know people who ignore science and have made up their minds for political reasons will poo-poo all of the mountains of data, preferring to focus on the variabilities of weather over trends in climate and jump on small inconsistencies in data. Nothing to worry about, they will say. Just a big liberal conspiracy. Our children and grandchildren will damn us to hell, and rightly so. I was kidding... i wasnt TRYING to start a debate

Author:	Godzilla1960 [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:14 pm ]
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ironyisadeadscene wrote: im a liberal, but im also well versed in weather. i dont buy global warming. Why?

Author:	Rutledge222 [ Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:18 pm ]
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also, Kevin Williams of the Rochester News even says that Global Warming is a bunch of crap, there is no way to tell if we are actually causing damage, mainly because he said that earths weather is cyclicle, it goes through periods of warmer years and colder years. He also stated if you were to take the history of earth and stretch it out over a course of a mile, the length of that mile that is recorded weather is 1 Inch...