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| Author: | NYIntensity [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Abortion (please, with civility) |
In all honesty - the woman who wants to go have an abortion - is she fit to be a mother? Is that child going to be raised in a loving and supportive environment? My answer is "probably not". Would banning abortion really make this world "a better place"? Then, if/when that child grows up to be a deviant, he/she will undoubtedly break some religious rule, prohibiting them from entry to "the promised land". Isn't that a particularly damning situation? I don't really want to get into a religious debate, because I can understand the "everyone starts out equal in God's eyes" argument, but if that kid isn't introduced to any God throughout his/her life, who's to say he ever had a fighting chance? I think it should be legal, and in some areas, embraced. It worked for the Spartans. |
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| Author: | NYIntensity [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Abortion (please, with civility) |
I wanted to add that I'm honestly looking for support of my stance, as well as arguments that make me sit back and say "Hmpf. I've never thought of it that way before." |
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| Author: | Squanto [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Abortion (please, with civility) |
On the flip side, a woman who gets and abortion isn't automatically a bad mother. I have a friend who has two kids, but has had significantly more abortions. Her kids are good, well adjusted, and about as far from deviant bastards as you could expect. |
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| Author: | End The Curse [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Abortion (please, with civility) |
This thread should be aborted, because if allowed to live it will surely die a horrible and bloody death. |
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| Author: | jvaccaro6 [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Abortion (please, with civility) |
Here is my rule of thumb on abortion; use it in extreme circumstances (rape, incest, so on and so forth), otherwise use a condom, birth control pill, etc. I'm very much against using abortion as a form of birth control, it just doesn't sit well with me, and my upbringing. Although I've also decided that I'm no longer a fan of the term justifiable homicide, and have decided it should be called a "post term abortion" IE; Sydney Crosby should have a post term abortion preformed on him for ruining my Olympics. |
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| Author: | YankeeInRaleigh [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Abortion (please, with civility) |
I'll take the wholly scientific stance. There are too many people on this earth, and too few resources. Stopping short of a eugenics approach, I do feel that all available methods of reducing the OVERpopulation of this planet should be fully explored and available to us. (i'm not talking about genocide..but more/better birth control, incentives to NOT have children, abortion, etc etc) |
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| Author: | fly as hale [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Abortion (please, with civility) |
I am 100% for abortion to be legal. Sometimes good people make mistakes, or sometimes they are careful but things happen. Condoms can break. Morning after pills aren't always effective. Does that mean that person should be forced to bring a child into the world? I don't think so. And I don't think I need to discuss why it should be legal for rape victims. Do I believe that it should be used as a form of birth control? As in, people not bothering to use a condom because you can always get an abortion? Hell no. Are there people out there who think that way? Unfortuntely yes, but the ignorance of those people should not punish those who are responsible, good people who need some help. And while there are people out there who might not think twice about getting an abortion, I can tell you that for the most part it is a very emotional draining, painful process and it isn't an easy decision to make. |
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| Author: | ironyisadeadscene [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Abortion (please, with civility) |
abortion should be between a woman and her doctor. as a guy, i dont ever have to go through it, and such, i dont believe we should have such a strong opinion on it. an opinion, sure, but really, it should be between a woman and her doctor. |
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| Author: | jvaccaro6 [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Abortion (please, with civility) |
I respect everyone's opinion on the matter, I'm not going to change mine, but I also can see your points and take them into consideration...I know I'm not in the majority of the opinion; but I'm also totally ok with that. I do ask this question though, where does the responsibility for a child begin? To me, it is when having the decision to have sex. Because that is the start of the creation process. I'm just curious as to where others stand on that question. (civility please) |
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| Author: | Squanto [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Abortion (please, with civility) |
If you're man enough to put the biscuit in the basket, you better be man enough to help with the bun in the oven. |
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| Author: | End The Curse [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Abortion (please, with civility) |
YankeeInRaleigh wrote: I'll take the wholly scientific stance. There are too many people on this earth, and too few resources. Stopping short of a eugenics approach, I do feel that all available methods of reducing the OVERpopulation of this planet should be fully explored and available to us. (i'm not talking about genocide..but more/better birth control, incentives to NOT have children, abortion, etc etc) http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/ |
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| Author: | jvaccaro6 [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Abortion (please, with civility) |
What do children in Asia have anything to do with abortion! Wocka Wocka |
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| Author: | NYIntensity [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Abortion (please, with civility) |
I'd definitely agree with those of you who say that abortion is NOT a form of birth control. Squanto wrote: If you're man enough to put the biscuit in the basket, you better be man enough to help with the bun in the oven. Are you saying if she decides to keep it, or in general, it should be kept? If it's the former, I completely agree with you. I believe your response was in reply to Mike saying that as men we're pretty much not allowed to have opinions on this one. In that aspect, I'm not so sure - I mean, was she not also a willing participant? (I know in some cases she is not; however, I want to speak towards the rule, not the exception). |
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| Author: | fly as hale [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Abortion (please, with civility) |
jvaccaro6 wrote: I respect everyone's opinion on the matter, I'm not going to change mine, but I also can see your points and take them into consideration...I know I'm not in the majority of the opinion; but I'm also totally ok with that. I do ask this question though, where does the responsibility for a child begin? To me, it is when having the decision to have sex. Because that is the start of the creation process. I'm just curious as to where others stand on that question. (civility please) A lot of people bring that up. People will say, "Don't have sex, and you won't have to worry about getting pregnant." But I think we have to be realistic here...it's just not realistic for people to not have sex. It's normal, it's natural, and it's part of human instinct to want to do it...because like you said, it's part of the creation process. In a perfect world, people would always be responsible when deciding to have sex, because the consequences can result in a baby. People would always use a condom or be on some form of birth control, and they would be faithful to one person. But we have to realize that it's not always going to be the case. Sex is fun, and people aren't always going to be as responsible as they should be. When someone is about to have sex, they aren't going to sit there and weigh their options and decide if what they are about to do is the "right thing". They aren't going to decide if they should refrain from doing what they're about to do because they aren't ready to bring a child into the world. And I feel like I should reiterate my point that, there are people like that out there. There are people who are very responsible about their decisions and who they decide to have sex with. There are people who use condoms and birth control to prevent pregnancy, but it isn't always effective. I guess my point is, not everyone who has sex is ready to take on the responsibilty of raising a child, and it isn't a realistic to say that those people should stop having sex until they are ready to do so. And what if someone is ready to bring a child into the world, but just doesn't want to have kids? What if they are a financially stable, responsible, educated person but just doesn't want to have kids. Does that mean they can't have sex? |
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| Author: | CriminallyVu1gar [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Abortion (please, with civility) |
ironyisadeadscene wrote: abortion should be between a woman and her doctor. as a guy, i dont ever have to go through it, and such, i dont believe we should have such a strong opinion on it. an opinion, sure, but really, it should be between a woman and her doctor. I pretty much agree with Mike here. |
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| Author: | NYIntensity [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Abortion (please, with civility) |
jvaccaro6 wrote: I respect everyone's opinion on the matter, I'm not going to change mine, but I also can see your points and take them into consideration...I know I'm not in the majority of the opinion; but I'm also totally ok with that. I do ask this question though, where does the responsibility for a child begin? To me, it is when having the decision to have sex. Because that is the start of the creation process. I'm just curious as to where others stand on that question. (civility please) I'd agree with you jay, but just because you're able to provide doesn't mean it's the best choice. I know many people that have been bound to low/low-middle class jobs because they had a child(ren) at an early age. I mean, fresh out of high school with a baby, where are you going to work? GM's not gonna hire you as an engineer, but you might be able to empty that engineer's trash can. |
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| Author: | Squanto [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Abortion (please, with civility) |
NYIntensity wrote: Are you saying if she decides to keep it, or in general, it should be kept? If it's the former, I completely agree with you. I believe your response was in reply to Mike saying that as men we're pretty much not allowed to have opinions on this one. In that aspect, I'm not so sure - I mean, was she not also a willing participant? (I know in some cases she is not; however, I want to speak towards the rule, not the exception). To clarify my position without childish humor..... :p As a man, I believe that if you're going to have sex with a woman, you need to be prepared for what may come of that act. Sure, it's fun as HELL, and not every sexual encounter results in a pregnancy. However, you should be prepared for the fact that it MIGHT happen. We all know that birth control is not 100% effective, so it's something that should be in one's mind. During my predominantly single years, I probably had less casual sex than most guys because of this ideal. If a pregnancy occurs, I think that both parties should have an adult conversation about how to proceed. However, the ultimate decision about what to do should, in my eyes, be made by the woman. The man should have input into that decision, but the choice should be hers. That's where I stand. |
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| Author: | slesh [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Abortion (please, with civility) |
jvaccaro6 wrote: Here is my rule of thumb on abortion; use it in extreme circumstances (rape, incest, so on and so forth), otherwise use a condom, birth control pill, etc. I'm very much against using abortion as a form of birth control, it just doesn't sit well with me, and my upbringing. Although I've also decided that I'm no longer a fan of the term justifiable homicide, and have decided it should be called a "post term abortion" IE; Sydney Crosby should have a post term abortion preformed on him for ruining my Olympics. I approve of this post, specifically the Crosby part. You and I need to have a beer some day Jvaccar06 |
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| Author: | NYIntensity [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Abortion (please, with civility) |
Squanto wrote: The man should have input into that decision, but the choice should be hers. Agreed
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| Author: | nnyfan [ Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:19 pm ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: Abortion (please, with civility) | ||
I don't judge other people...but you all know my stance on Christianity and probably know my stance on this subject. I'd like to share a conversation I had in August 1993 with my boyfriend at the time. I was in college and he was 'marked for deletion' if you get my drift...we were about to breakup. Me: OMG...I'm pregnant Boyfriend: Don't worry, I'll take care of everything Me: You mean....you're gonna get a job and take care of us? Boyfriend: No...this happened to me a few years ago and I took care of everything..... And the attached picture is what he was gonna 'take care of'... I don't believe God makes mistakes...he just throws surprise parties.
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