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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:14 pm 
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This is stomach churning.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/05/news/ec ... htm?hpt=T2

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If President Obama's 2011 budget were put into effect as proposed, the U.S. federal government would add an estimated $9.8 trillion to the country's accrued debt over the next decade, according to a preliminary analysis from the Congressional Budget Office.

Of that amount, an estimated $5.6 trillion will be in interest alone.

By 2020, the agency estimates debt held by the public would reach $20.3 trillion, or 90% of GDP. That's up from 53% of GDP in 2009.

The CBO cited two big contributors to the jump in debt.

One is the president's proposal to extend the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for the majority of Americans. The other is the proposal to protect middle- and upper-middle-income families from having to pay the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT).

Together those proposals would cost $3 trillion between 2011 and 2020.

"It points out the unwillingness of the administration to raise the revenues to pay for the size of government being proposed," said Robert Bixby, executive director of the Concord Coalition, a deficit watchdog group.

If Congress doesn't act, all of the Bush tax cuts are slated to expire at the end of this year and there will be no protection from the AMT.

But current law is not politically realistic, many say. That's why the administration prefers to compare the cost of its proposals to what everyone expects lawmakers to do -- namely, extend all the tax cuts and fix the AMT.

Hence, the White House Budget Office estimates that under the president's proposals, $8.5 trillion would be added to the country's accrued debt over the next decade, or $1.3 trillion less than the CBO estimate.

Either scenario is unsustainable, Bixby said.

The administration agrees and the president has created a fiscal advisory commission to recommend ways lawmakers can get annual deficits down to 3% of GDP by 2015.

That's well below where it would be under the president's budget, according to the CBO and the White House. By 2020, the annual deficit as a percentage of GDP will have climbed to 5.6%, according to the CBO. The White House estimates it will climb to only 4.2%.

But there is no guarantee the commission's recommendations will be adopted by lawmakers.

The CBO notes that its estimates incorporate the Administration's revenue and spending assumptions for policies such as health reform and climate change, because the agency didn't have sufficient details from the White House about those policies to do its own analysis.

A full analysis of the president's budget will be published later in the month, the CBO said.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:38 pm 
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I think Clinton was the one who had balanced budgets an stuff like that.


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daz28 wrote:
I think Clinton was the one who had balanced budgets an stuff like that.


Conservatives will tell you it was congress, not Clinton.

I don't know the true answer. I'm too young to remember, and the 90's weren't part of our American History class sooooo... yeah.

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
daz28 wrote:
I think Clinton was the one who had balanced budgets an stuff like that.


Conservatives will tell you it was congress, not Clinton.

I don't know the true answer. I'm too young to remember, and the 90's weren't part of our American History class sooooo... yeah.

There's no real debate about that.

This is how a Federal budget is passed:

1. the President sends congress a proposed budget that backs up the policy positions of the white house.
2. congress takes that budget proposal from the president, split it up among themselves and use it as toilet paper.
3. congress writes their own budget making sure to send as much pork as possible to their contributors and home districts.
4. the president can then either sign that budget or use veto power to force them to give him more of what the white house wants.
*repeat step 4 as much as necessary*

Congress has the duty to write budgets...it's a piece of legislature...the President can only suggest what's in it and sign it.

So the budget surpluses enjoyed by Clinton were given to him by Republican congresses (Newt Gingrich).

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Now wouldn't a 13 trillion dollar Mag Lev infrastructure build out with a pay off time of 42 years and a 1,000% return over a 100 year operations period sound much better. Not to mention the material utilized for the build out would be 100% American, from the metals, to the magnets, to the labor to build and operate it, all AMERICAN.

As I sit here and just chuckle, then cry, as I realize until the current political environment is thrown away, it will never change.

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Ya, so basically it's sign it, and then IMMEDIATELY blame(or give credit to) someone else.

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Wasn't there a time once, looooooong ago, when debt was considered a bad thing to have?

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Van_Da_Man wrote:
Wasn't there a time once, looooooong ago, when debt was considered a bad thing to have?

Lots of people, myself included, carry no debt and consider it evil.
I'm allergic to debt.

Sadly, our elected officials aren't burdened with accountability and have a printing press.
Until voters make it painful for them, they won't change.

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Crosscheck wrote:
Van_Da_Man wrote:
Wasn't there a time once, looooooong ago, when debt was considered a bad thing to have?

Lots of people, myself included, carry no debt and consider it evil.
I'm allergic to debt.

Sadly, our elected officials aren't burdened with accountability and have a printing press.
Until voters make it painful for them, they won't change.


Mortgage?

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
Mortgage?

I rent a townhouse because I refuse to pay a million dollars for a house in LA that would cost $250k anywhere else.
Although the only debt I consider acceptable is a mortgage...there aren't a lot of people that can do that transaction with cash.

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Crosscheck wrote:
I rent a townhouse because I refuse to pay a million dollars for a house in LA that would cost $250k anywhere else.
Although the only debt I consider acceptable is a mortgage...there aren't a lot of people that can do that transaction with cash.

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student loans?

I guess I was looking past that stage of life...yes, student loans would be an acceptable debt because ones earning potential has not yet been realized.

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Crosscheck wrote:
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student loans?

I guess I was looking past that stage of life...yes, student loans would be an acceptable debt because ones earning potential has not yet been realized.

alright, then i'm with you.


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