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This is a pro-tax increase rally in Chicago.
It was attended by SEIU, Illinois Education Association, Illinois Federation of Teachers, AFSCME, and AFL-CIO.

Welcome to the welfare state. Some pay, some take.
These are the takers.


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Someone I know was recently talking about how her cousin and cousin's husband don't have to work because they get enough with food stamps and whatever and keep popping out kids. Made me sick.

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I am a public sector school teacher and union member, Cross, and I can tell you I have not only not had a pay raise in two years, but my income has been cut during this recession.

My second job as a part time virtual teacher (school teachers need two jobs to pay the bills) was cut because the state cut back on funding and the school had to lay off all part timers. Our state pays a bonus for teachers who have high passing rates on the advanced placement test (actual merit pay that works). I have one of the highest passing rates, but not only does the state cap the bonus (what incentive is that?), but they have cut back the bonus each of the past two years. Our state also pays a bonus to teachers in schools that achieve an "A" rating. Our school has achieved that rating, but the state has cut that bonus each of the past two years. As an incentive to improve the quality of teachers they also pay a bonus for teachers who go through a rigorous program to become nationally board certified. I have gone through the program, but once again our state has cut back on that bonus.

Every hoop our state has created (by Republican governors and Republican legislators) I have jumped through. And the state has responded by reneging on its promises and cutting pay.

During this period, when I have lost about $10,000 in yearly income, my work load has increased, as the county has added an additional class of 30 more students for every teacher. In spite of that I still work an average 3 hours a day for free and last week I gave up my Saturday to administer a practice test to prepare my students for their AP exam and then spent the entire weekend grading exams. This is not unusual. Every weekend I bring home hours worth of essays to grade and all of my planning is on my own time. I have given my students and their parents the highest quality education, have been named teacher of the year three times, including being a top five finalist for teacher of the year in my county. My students consistently have outstanding passing rates on the AP exam (last year 89% of my 10th grade students earned college credit for European history). I save my students' parents thousands of dollars on college classes they now don't have to pay for.

I have to buy my own printer and pay for my own copies for my students. Every year I spend hundreds of dollars out of my own pocket on my students, and that is actually a break now that I teach upper end kids exclusively. When I taught in a school where most of the kids lived in poverty I was buying them all of their school supplies.

I have been doing this for 22 years and I do it all for $47,000 a year (compare that to the average pay for a UPS driver of $74,000 a year).

This is the life I have chosen and I knew when I went into it that people don’t value education in this country enough to pay for it. When my wife came down with MS (don’t get me started on our crappy health benefits - which they are talking about cutting next year) and we had to live solely on my meager income, we just tightened our belts a little more. I don’t complain about my pay and I don’t need anybody’s sympathy.

But, I sure as hell don’t need to be shit on for doing my job well and expecting to get paid. I get really sick and tired of people who consistently expect something for nothing. You want your kids to have the highest quality education possible, but you don’t want to pay for it.

Gimme, gimme, gimme.

And then dump on the teachers who do the giving.

I’ve enjoyed our conversations over the years, Cross, but this is a piece of insensitive, ignorant bullshit.

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Godzilla1960 wrote:
I am a public sector school teacher and union member, Cross, and I can tell you I have not only not had a pay raise in two years, but my income has been cut during this recession.

My second job as a part time virtual teacher (school teachers need two jobs to pay the bills) was cut because the state cut back on funding and the school had to lay off all part timers. Our state pays a bonus for teachers who have high passing rates on the advanced placement test (actual merit pay that works). I have one of the highest passing rates, but not only does the state cap the bonus (what incentive is that?), but they have cut back the bonus each of the past two years. Our state also pays a bonus to teachers in schools that achieve an "A" rating. Our school has achieved that rating, but the state has cut that bonus each of the past two years. As an incentive to improve the quality of teachers they also pay a bonus for teachers who go through a rigorous program to become nationally board certified. I have gone through the program, but once again our state has cut back on that bonus.

Every hoop our state has created (by Republican governors and Republican legislators) I have jumped through. And the state has responded by reneging on its promises and cutting pay.

During this period, when I have lost about $10,000 in yearly income, my work load has increased, as the county has added an additional class of 30 more students for every teacher. In spite of that I still work an average 3 hours a day for free and last week I gave up my Saturday to administer a practice test to prepare my students for their AP exam and then spent the entire weekend grading exams. This is not unusual. Every weekend I bring home hours worth of essays to grade and all of my planning is on my own time. I have given my students and their parents the highest quality education, have been named teacher of the year three times, including being a top five finalist for teacher of the year in my county. My students consistently have outstanding passing rates on the AP exam (last year 89% of my 10th grade students earned college credit for European history). I save my students' parents thousands of dollars on college classes they now don't have to pay for.

I have to buy my own printer and pay for my own copies for my students. Every year I spend hundreds of dollars out of my own pocket on my students, and that is actually a break now that I teach upper end kids exclusively. When I taught in a school where most of the kids lived in poverty I was buying them all of their school supplies.

I have been doing this for 22 years and I do it all for $47,000 a year (compare that to the average pay for a UPS driver of $74,000 a year).

This is the life I have chosen and I knew when I went into it that people don’t value education in this country enough to pay for it. When my wife came down with MS (don’t get me started on our crappy health benefits - which they are talking about cutting next year) and we had to live solely on my meager income, we just tightened our belts a little more. I don’t complain about my pay and I don’t need anybody’s sympathy.

But, I sure as hell don’t need to be shit on for doing my job well and expecting to get paid. I get really sick and tired of people who consistently expect something for nothing. You want your kids to have the highest quality education possible, but you don’t want to pay for it.

Gimme, gimme, gimme.

And then dump on the teachers who do the giving.

I’ve enjoyed our conversations over the years, Cross, but this is a piece of insensitive, ignorant bullshit.



That's bad. I have known a few teachers over the years, and they have crummy lives. They have no time at all it seems!

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No recession for CEOs whose firms have lost millions either. Nor for those making weapons and given military contracts.

Those are the people who are really receiving the most welfare. The free market is an absolute fucking myth, and until you start acknowledging that, I won't listen to some shit about teachers' unions being welfare recipients. It's total bullshit and I'm sick of hearing it from you. Your fucking captains of industry you have a hard-on for are no fucking better.


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And I haven't even read Zilla's post, but I'm sure it's much more eloquent than mine. Still you need my bluntness. Going after teachers?? Really?? If you think that it's education driving the deficit you hate so much, you're beyond hope. You've taken half-baked dogma and turned it into gospel truth. If that's the way you think, you're much more naive than I could have ever imagined.


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Godzilla1960 wrote:
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Yeah, upon further reading, and knowing the back and forth, it does seem this thread was a bit targeted (hey, could be wrong). The kind of stuff ETC was continually chastised for doing.

That having been said, I have to inquire about the 89% statistic Zilla. Do you mean that 89% of your students passed with a 3 (which doesn't necessarily mean college credit since many universities only accept a 4 or a 5)?

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Zilla, you're making my degree in education seem like a bad idea...hahaha! My plan is to complete my masters during my first few years of teaching then switch to college while working on my phd. Ultimately I want to open an unaccredited art school with a gallery. Thankfully my wife is going to physician's assistant school starting this november and one of us will bring in a good pay check.

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Please look who attended that rally.
I was unaware SEIU and the AFL CIO were teachers.

I'm NOT shitting on teachers.
My Mother was a teacher.
My Father was a professor.
My Grandmother was a teacher.
My Grandfather was a High school principal.

Is it the tax payers fault teachers get screwed?
NO.
It's the politicians fault.

Maybe just maybe, teachers keep getting the shaft because most of our education funds go to service massive pensions (demanded by these unions) that have been mishandled instead of increasing pay and benefits.

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When schoolchildren start paying dues, that’s when I’ll start representing the interests of schoolchildren.

~Albert Shanker, former president of the American Federation of Teachers.

Doncha love unions?

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and I apologize for my OP seeming like I was singling out teachers, that wasn't my intention.
It just so happened the disgusting woman in the video is a teacher....I'm assuming a bad one.

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Godzilla1960 wrote:
I am a public sector school teacher and union member, Cross, and I can tell you I have not only not had a pay raise in two years, but my income has been cut during this recession.

My second job as a part time virtual teacher (school teachers need two jobs to pay the bills) was cut because the state cut back on funding and the school had to lay off all part timers. Our state pays a bonus for teachers who have high passing rates on the advanced placement test (actual merit pay that works). I have one of the highest passing rates, but not only does the state cap the bonus (what incentive is that?), but they have cut back the bonus each of the past two years. Our state also pays a bonus to teachers in schools that achieve an "A" rating. Our school has achieved that rating, but the state has cut that bonus each of the past two years. As an incentive to improve the quality of teachers they also pay a bonus for teachers who go through a rigorous program to become nationally board certified. I have gone through the program, but once again our state has cut back on that bonus.

Every hoop our state has created (by Republican governors and Republican legislators) I have jumped through. And the state has responded by reneging on its promises and cutting pay.

During this period, when I have lost about $10,000 in yearly income, my work load has increased, as the county has added an additional class of 30 more students for every teacher. In spite of that I still work an average 3 hours a day for free and last week I gave up my Saturday to administer a practice test to prepare my students for their AP exam and then spent the entire weekend grading exams. This is not unusual. Every weekend I bring home hours worth of essays to grade and all of my planning is on my own time. I have given my students and their parents the highest quality education, have been named teacher of the year three times, including being a top five finalist for teacher of the year in my county. My students consistently have outstanding passing rates on the AP exam (last year 89% of my 10th grade students earned college credit for European history). I save my students' parents thousands of dollars on college classes they now don't have to pay for.

I have to buy my own printer and pay for my own copies for my students. Every year I spend hundreds of dollars out of my own pocket on my students, and that is actually a break now that I teach upper end kids exclusively. When I taught in a school where most of the kids lived in poverty I was buying them all of their school supplies.

I have been doing this for 22 years and I do it all for $47,000 a year (compare that to the average pay for a UPS driver of $74,000 a year).

This is the life I have chosen and I knew when I went into it that people don’t value education in this country enough to pay for it. When my wife came down with MS (don’t get me started on our crappy health benefits - which they are talking about cutting next year) and we had to live solely on my meager income, we just tightened our belts a little more. I don’t complain about my pay and I don’t need anybody’s sympathy.

But, I sure as hell don’t need to be shit on for doing my job well and expecting to get paid. I get really sick and tired of people who consistently expect something for nothing. You want your kids to have the highest quality education possible, but you don’t want to pay for it.

Gimme, gimme, gimme.

And then dump on the teachers who do the giving.

I’ve enjoyed our conversations over the years, Cross, but this is a piece of insensitive, ignorant bullshit.

I am not aware of what school district you work in Zilla, but my sister is a teacher (4 yrs) in Wilson, My stepfather is a teacher in Sweethome (29 yrs). Your district must be the odd one out. My sister's starting salary was 43k a yr, then benefits. My stepfathers salary now is in excess of 88k a yr then benefits. And both of them completely agree the taxpayer is being taken for a hideous ride by the teachers union in NYS.

Oh, and by the way, neither of them had any student grants or loans, paid cash for their education through hard work and both of them loath how the state is allowing the teachers union to run a ponzi scheme for a retirement plan.

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Crosscheck wrote:
This is a pro-tax increase rally

I agree that there should be a pro-tax increase rally. As crazy as it sounds, it's 1000x more realistic than a tea party, so it counter-acts the smoke they are laying. The only problem is we need to show that that our "buying" is what the problem is. Cutting spending in the right areas is what we need. I'm beginning to think McCain should have never signed on with Palin, and we'd have been better off. If we can control spending, we can work on debt, and that's key. The only disclaimer I give Obama is he came into the toughest of spots, and he saved most of us(anyone with stocks) asses. While I deem it unfair, I guess it was inevitable we did the bail-out. Anyone who was against it was probably wrong. Time for controlled capitalism(haha, that'll happen soon).


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daz28 wrote:
Crosscheck wrote:
This is a pro-tax increase rally

I agree that there should be a pro-tax increase rally.


For Chicago teachers Unions?

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really?
They're out in the streets demanding more money?

Looks like they're doing a bang up job...I mean our kids are 4 times smarter than they were in 1983 right? Right?

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Crosscheck wrote:

For Chicago teachers Unions?


No.


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