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Author:  Squanto [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:52 am ]
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/1 ... 11590.html

Christian school teacher gets fired when asking for maternity leave because the administration ASKED HER WHEN SHE CONCEIVED (none of their business) , and then canned her because that date was 3 weeks before she got married. Then the pile on; students and parents were told that their teacher was fired for fornicating.

Such fucking bullshit.

The school's classy response?

"The school asks that Hamilton drop her case and "consider the testimony of the Lord."
Author:  NYIntensity [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:59 am ]
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Fuck that. She should sue a hundred times over.
Author:  Sabresfansince1980 [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:42 am ]
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She probably doesn't have a case to keep her job. People need to understand what their terms of employment specify for or against before signing a contract.

At department stores, usually the terms of employment specify that you agree to searches of your property before leaving, if the store chooses. Sears, for example, had employees use clear plastic purses as one way to prevent internal theft. Those policies seem against the 4th Amendment, but employees waive that right by the terms of their employment.

As a police officer, I have rules stipulating that I cannot hang out with known criminals. It's not against the law, but the terms of my employment set rules that I can be fired for if I violate them.

This woman may not have thought much about what the terms of her employment really meant. It is a private religious school, so there shouldn't be any surprise that they would have policies of this type. What she might have some luck in is that the school sent out a letter to all those people that specified private matters. It won't get her job back but she might get some amount of compensation for that.
Author:  Squanto [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:59 am ]
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Employers can stipulate terms of employment all they want. However, there's nothing that says an employee cannot challenge those terms should their employment be terminated.

Requiring employees to be searched before leaving a retail establishment is one thing. Placing conditions on the personal sex lives of their employees is another matter altogether. The school airing the reason for termination to the entire staff and parents just compounds the matter.
Author:  Sabresfansince1980 [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:01 pm ]
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If the employee signs a contract that agrees to the terms of employment...?
Author:  CriminallyVu1gar [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:05 pm ]
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The testimony of the lord conveniently written and recorded by human beings who have been dead for so long the accuracy is questionable at best?
Author:  Squanto [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:10 pm ]
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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
If the employee signs a contract that agrees to the terms of employment...?


I signed a contract to work at my last job. That contract dictated that if I were to leave the employment of that company, I could not work in any similar position within 75 miles of any registered company office for 10 years. That would have precluded me from taking similar work in the entire state of NY. If I did, I would have been forced to pay a $50,000 penalty to my former employer.

I was naive at the time, and needed the job, so I signed it. When I left, they tried to enforce this on me. Those terms were ruled by a judge to be illegal as part of an employment contract, and not enforceable.

Just because a employment contract exists doesn't mean that the terms of the contract are legal and enforceable.
Author:  Crosscheck [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:13 pm ]
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If it's ok to fire employees for smoking or drinking on their own time then this is no different.

/but it is all bullshit
Author:  Sabresfansince1980 [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:13 pm ]
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Yeah, that's a little over the top for a public comment by the school. It will be interesting to see where the rights of a private organization to set their own policies fall in place with state/federal law.

Squanto, I know terms of employment are not all in accordance with law, but this isn't a slam dunk case. I think it's fair for private organizations to set some limits to behavior, and I suppose this case will form a stricter set of guidelines for those organizations to follow.
Author:  Squanto [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:19 pm ]
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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
Yeah, that's a little over the top for a public comment by the school. It will be interesting to see where the rights of a private organization to set their own policies fall in place with state/federal law.


The Supreme Court already ruled that private organizations can discriminate to an extent. (Boy Scouts of America v. Dale).

The questions here are:

1. Is the school truly private? Does the school receive ANY financing from public sources? If they aren't they can't hide behind the private organization rules.
2. Can the school have a vague message about 'upholding morals' as a condition of employment, yet not specify what those morals are?
Author:  BS1970 [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:41 pm ]
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hahahahaha. My friend went to that school. She just told me about this yesterday and how she knew the teacher. That's fucking crazy that this happened, and that I like 10 minutes away from there lol
Author:  Rutledge222 [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:30 pm ]
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Bottom line. the Principle should not have asked, its none of her business... but if the terms of the contract someone signs sets certain guidelines then you must follow them.

At my high school, which has a college associate.. if you have premarital sex or underage drinking and the administration finds out they have every right to kick you out... its in the contract you sign. At the college associate they have you sign something similar about premarital sex and drinking in general, they have the legal right to kick you out because you signed their terms of agreement. Its the same thing only on a bigger scale of teacher employment instead of student guidelines
Author:  Squanto [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:07 pm ]
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The school administrator :

"The employment application, which she filled out, clearly states that as a leader before our students we require all teachers to maintain and communicate the values and purpose of our school."

"Values and purpose" is too vague. The only person who can decide what that means is the person making the decision if it will apply, which is bullshit.
Author:  Crosscheck [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:20 pm ]
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Squanto wrote:
"Values and purpose" is too vague.


Well, they may actually have it written down. Like a company with a mission statement or a list of core values.
Author:  Stuuuuuuu [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:54 pm ]
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Uh-oh. If anyone asks you guys before my wedding, tell them I'm a virgin OK?
Author:  Displaced Fan [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:59 pm ]
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Go Christians!!! Stay classy!!
Author:  Captain Pants [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:19 pm ]
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Squanto wrote:
Employers can stipulate terms of employment all they want. However, there's nothing that says an employee cannot challenge those terms should their employment be terminated.

Requiring employees to be searched before leaving a retail establishment is one thing. Placing conditions on the personal sex lives of their employees is another matter altogether. The school airing the reason for termination to the entire staff and parents just compounds the matter.


This sums up what I think 1980 seems to miss out the most.

This is completely unbegrudging, but as a police officer you're often of the position "It's the rule, so it doesn't matter whether you think your right or not" vs. "the rule is fucked, change it"

just my 60 yen
Author:  jvaccaro6 [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:24 pm ]
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Where am I when all this premarital sex is going on?! Especially with a cathloic school teacher, almost as hot as the school girl...oh damn, I'm feeling light headed
Author:  mechaphil [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:27 pm ]
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jvaccaro6 wrote:
Where am I when all this premarital sex is going on?! Especially with a cathloic school teacher, almost as hot as the school girl...oh damn, I'm feeling light headed

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Enjoy!
Author:  jvaccaro6 [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:46 pm ]
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Upon further revision I retract my previous statement and feel like she should have been fired based upon looks alone...honestly how is any 15 year old boy supposed to get kicked out of school for sleeping with a teacher when they look like that. He'd rather sleep with a girl his own age.

It's the school's responsibility to hire hot enough teachers so that the kids go home and wank it themselves thinking about the hot teacher, rather than impregnating their classmates. This school should be fined on that principle alone!


(this is sarcasm)
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