and now there's a bill to say if you're born to ILLEGAL immigrants in the US (aka "Anchor Baby") you're not a US citizen, and you can GTFO with your parents.
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| Author: | NYIntensity [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Arizonans (Arizonians?) say fuck the bullshit |
and now there's a bill to say if you're born to ILLEGAL immigrants in the US (aka "Anchor Baby") you're not a US citizen, and you can GTFO with your parents.
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| Author: | Squanto [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Arizonans (Arizonians?) say fuck the bullshit |
No matter what side of the immigration debate you may be on, this one is easy. US Constitution, 14th Amenedment wrote: Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. The justification that 'the founders didn't mean aliens' doesn't mean shit. Back then EVERYONE WAS AN ALIEN. The rule of law means we go by what the law SAYS, not what someone wants it to mean to fit their agenda. This gets struck down FAST if it ever passes. |
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| Author: | NYIntensity [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Arizonans (Arizonians?) say fuck the bullshit |
They didn't expect anchor babies. I know that it's going to get struck down, but I applaud a hard-nose approach. That Peruvian girl's parents are still here. |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Arizonans (Arizonians?) say fuck the bullshit |
Squanto wrote: No matter what side of the immigration debate you may be on, this one is easy. US Constitution, 14th Amenedment wrote: Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. The justification that 'the founders didn't mean aliens' doesn't mean shit. Back then EVERYONE WAS AN ALIEN. The rule of law means we go by what the law SAYS, not what someone wants it to mean to fit their agenda. This gets struck down FAST if it ever passes. While I totally concede this is dead constitutionally, there's nothing in the constitution stating a state must issue a birth certificate to a person born to non-citizens. The Federal government can recognize them as citizens...issue whatever documentation they want, there's no default responsibility on Arizona to do the same. |
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| Author: | Sabresfansince1980 [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Arizonans (Arizonians?) say fuck the bullshit |
I think the Constitution should be changed to eliminate anchor baby citizenship. That would go a long way to solving some of these problems. |
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| Author: | Stuuuuuuu [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Arizonans (Arizonians?) say fuck the bullshit |
so I take you're a Native American then NY Intensity right? Cause if not, then maybe your ancestors should have gotten the F out. |
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| Author: | Rud [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:01 pm ] |
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Stuuuuuuu wrote: so I take you're a Native American then NY Intensity right? Cause if not, then maybe your ancestors should have gotten the F out. Man, I don't know what you're talking about. No one was checking for citizenship when those guys hopped across the ice bridge. |
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| Author: | Sabresfansince1980 [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Arizonans (Arizonians?) say fuck the bullshit |
...And the country wasn't even founded at that point. |
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| Author: | Stuuuuuuu [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Arizonans (Arizonians?) say fuck the bullshit |
Oh so back then, it wasn't important where you were born, just that you were a human. But now, you're not equal unless you're born here. I get it. |
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| Author: | Squanto [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Arizonans (Arizonians?) say fuck the bullshit |
The term 'anchor baby' is bullshit anyways. Say a couple is in the US illegally. They have a baby in a US hospital. The baby is now a US citizen, the parents still are not. People say that the baby can then sponsor the parents for citizenship. They can.IN 21 YEARS. Not immediately. |
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| Author: | mechaphil [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Arizonans (Arizonians?) say fuck the bullshit |
Rud wrote: Stuuuuuuu wrote: so I take you're a Native American then NY Intensity right? Cause if not, then maybe your ancestors should have gotten the F out. Man, I don't know what you're talking about. No one was checking for citizenship when those guys hopped across the ice bridge. Oh my god, I laughed so hard I was choking on my breakfast. |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Arizonans (Arizonians?) say fuck the bullshit |
Let's take a look, honestly, why the 14th amendment exists. It was put in there to clean up Dread Scott and grant citizenship to freed slaves. It was a solution for a problem that no longer exists. It's not a universal practice for countries to grant birthright citizenship. |
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| Author: | Squanto [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Arizonans (Arizonians?) say fuck the bullshit |
I don't totally disagree with you Ed. However, if we're going to take that position, then the proper action would be a new constitutional amendment redefining citizenship. Until then, that's what the Constitution defines, so that's what we must do. The fact of the matter is though that while the baby currently gets the rights of citizenship by being born here, the parents do not. That fact is commonly ignored when people are complaining about this. |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:21 pm ] |
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I don't think people are confused about illegal parents getting citizenship, it just makes prosecution and deportation that much harder when their child is a citizen. But look at the proposed law in this light: They want it to go to the supreme court. That's the point. It's the exact same tactic being used by pro-marijuana and pro gay-marriage activists. Pass a law at the state level that contradicts a Federal statute...get sued...appeal it all the way up. |
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| Author: | Sabresfansince1980 [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Arizonans (Arizonians?) say fuck the bullshit |
I don't even worry about the parents...I know that's not a reasonable way to earn citizenship. And Stu, you are apparently assuming that people such as me (that take a stance against illegal immigrants) think those people are not equal. That has nothing to do with it. I'm sure (well I know actually) that most of those people are hard working contributors to the world. They cause an economic strain on the country though...that's it. There's no need to go down the laudry list of problems that illegal immigration causes. Just don't make it out to be some cultural/race/hate issue. It is for some, but the real issues at hand are still there. |
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| Author: | Sabresfansince1980 [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Arizonans (Arizonians?) say fuck the bullshit |
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention Mexico's immigration law. If you want a full dose of wrongness, here you go... http://factreal.wordpress.com/2010/05/0 ... e-tougher/ Their constitution limits or eliminates legal immigrants rights for property ownership, political participation, and employment opportunities. They can also force any foreigner to leave the country without any legal process. The hypocrisy is plain as day. |
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| Author: | NYIntensity [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Arizonans (Arizonians?) say fuck the bullshit |
Stuuuuuuu wrote: so I take you're a Native American then NY Intensity right? Cause if not, then maybe your ancestors should have gotten the F out. Get off that fucking bandwagon dude, and into "civilized" history. |
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| Author: | Stuuuuuuu [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Arizonans (Arizonians?) say fuck the bullshit |
Hard not to look at it as an issue of prejudice when boatloads of studies say that immigrants actually HELP the economy. It's just a fairly well accepted prejudice IMO. |
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| Author: | Stuuuuuuu [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Arizonans (Arizonians?) say fuck the bullshit |
NYIntensity wrote: Stuuuuuuu wrote: so I take you're a Native American then NY Intensity right? Cause if not, then maybe your ancestors should have gotten the F out. Get off that fucking bandwagon dude, and into "civilized" history. OK, how about the early 20th century, when my great-grandfather was an immigrant. Or whenever it was that your family immigrated. Was that "uncivilized" history? |
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| Author: | NYIntensity [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Arizonans (Arizonians?) say fuck the bullshit |
The problem is that they don't pay into the systems they use. 
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