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| Author: | Squanto [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Independent 'Climategate' Panel Exonerates Scientists |
Statement from the Vice Chancellor of the University: http://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/pre ... sellreport (Emphasis mine) Quote: Nine months ago there was an unjustified attack on the scientific integrity of researchers at the University of East Anglia and, as a result, on climate science as a whole. Emails stolen from this university were selectively misused to make serious allegations about the work of the Climatic Research Unit and the people who worked there or were connected to it. Some people accepted those misrepresentations at face value without question and repeated them as fact. Today, for the third and hopefully for the final time, an exhaustive independent review has exposed as unfounded the overwhelming thrust of the allegations against our science. We hope that commentators will accurately reflect what this highly detailed independent report says, and finally lay to rest the conspiracy theories, untruths and misunderstandings that have circulated. Sir Muir Russell's team concludes about the staff of CRU that "their rigour and honesty as scientists are not in doubt". Furthermore, they “did not find any evidence of behaviour that might undermine the conclusions of the IPCC assessments" and, the report states, there was “no evidence to substantiate” allegations of perversion of the peer review or editorial process. In summary, the report dismisses allegations that our scientists destroyed or distorted data, tried to pervert peer review and attempted to misuse the IPCC process. We hope this exoneration of UEA climate scientists and their research collaborators around the world, some of whom have suffered considerably during this experience, will be widely reported. I am also pleased to announce that Phil Jones has accepted the new post of Director of Research in the Climatic Research Unit with immediate effect. This will provide him with the opportunity to continue the world-leading research which has made CRU a household name. The report makes many important and salutary points which require detailed consideration by the university, the wider research community and other bodies involved in this matter. We accept the report’s conclusion that we could and should have been more proactively open, not least because – as this exhaustive report makes abundantly clear – we have nothing to hide. The need to develop a culture of greater openness and transparency in CRU is something that we faced up to internally some months ago and we are already working to put right. The report gives sound advice in this area. We accept the need for our response to Freedom of Information requests to be positive and appropriate and we are confident that steps we have already taken in this area will improve further the awareness and understanding of the importance of the Act within the University. The report fairly reflects some of the frustrations which may have contributed to the attitudes of the scientists involved in this respect, but rightly doesn't accept them as valid reasons. There are a number of conclusions, findings, and recommendations in this report not just for UEA but for the whole academic and research community We will all have to take them away and consider them in depth. We expect to accept those which affect us directly and we will examine the best way forward. There are broad implications for the conduct, accessibility and funding of research in the UK which call for consideration by third parties, including the Information Commissioner’s Office and Research Councils. We welcome the opportunity to play our part in these wider discussions. However, the overwhelming conclusion of this report is clear - that the scientific integrity of UEA, its CRU and its scientists is beyond reproach. We hope this means that the wilder assertions about the climate science community will stop. Full report available here: http://www.cce-review.org/ TL:DR : The accusations against the involved scientists based on the stolen emails were drummed up and had zero merit. The scientists did make some mistakes that are spelled out in the report, but they found that willful manipulation of data to reach predetermined conclusions did not take place. |
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| Author: | CriminallyVu1gar [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Independent 'Climategate' Panel Exonerates Scientists |
Psh, who conducted this review? Unless Fox News or Rush Limbaugh (makes cross sign on chest) do it personally, it has ZERO merit. |
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| Author: | CriminallyVu1gar [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Independent 'Climategate' Panel Exonerates Scientists |
btw, you need to go to the drunkie and ruin etc's shit with this. |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Independent 'Climategate' Panel Exonerates Scientists |
What about them losing their original raw data and denying/stonewalling repeated FOI requests? Yeah, nothing to see here folks, move along. Some claim "all clear" and some claim "whitewash". http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geral ... ins-toxic/ This does nothing to recover the credibility of East Anglia CRU. |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Independent 'Climategate' Panel Exonerates Scientists |
CriminallyVu1gar wrote: btw, you need to go to the drunkie and ruin etc's shit with this. I'd love to infiltrate, but I'm sure I don't meet their strict standards. |
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| Author: | Squanto [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Independent 'Climategate' Panel Exonerates Scientists |
Crosscheck wrote: Some claim "all clear" and some claim "whitewash". ... ... This does nothing to recover the credibility of East Anglia CRU. No different than when this first came out. Some claimed there was nothing to see, others claimed international conspiracy, and cherry picked some data to 'prove' climate change was a farce. I'm 100% with you that the credibility of this specific institution is shot. However, what happened with this group does not reflect on the credibility of OTHER groups, and that's what people tried to do with this. I think we can all agree that the truth of the matter shows that this was simply a sloppy scientific group that made mistakes of openness or process, and that there's no global conspiracy to further an agenda from them. |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Independent 'Climategate' Panel Exonerates Scientists |
Quote: First, this was not about forming a view on the content or quality of the scientific work and the conclusions drawn by CRU. Let me explain that. We looked at processes and procedures, and how data was handled, but not at how the results should be interpreted in scientific terms. Quote: In particular, we did not find any evidence of behaviour that might undermine the conclusions of the IPCC assessments. Oh FFS....try not to contradict yourself in the executive review.... |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Independent 'Climategate' Panel Exonerates Scientists |
oh...I also encourage people to read this http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/08/t ... rwin-zero/ That's one real world example how, using scientifically agreed upon methods, one can change an overall cooling trend into a warming trend. |
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| Author: | Stuuuuuuu [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Independent 'Climategate' Panel Exonerates Scientists |
Squanto wrote: I'm 100% with you that the credibility of this specific institution is shot. However, what happened with this group does not reflect on the credibility of OTHER groups, and that's what people tried to do with this. Bingo. This group's findings being called into question was pretty much tantamount to an acroos-the-board bedunking of global warming in the thread where that "conspiracy" first came to light if I remember right. This is spite of the fact that human contributions to global warming have been widely accepted by the majority of the professional scientific community for YEARS if not DECADES. Now it's just "one study" and "anybody can use data to manipulate things to fit into their conclusions". I call bullshit vehemently. Not necessarily on just you crosscheck, but I remember a whole chorus on here that said that study was proof a a conspiracy. Maybe many of them have left for greener pastures, but I know some of them are still around. Well
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Independent 'Climategate' Panel Exonerates Scientists |
So 1 of the 4 main groups studying climate change have had their integrity tarnished and have undermined the credibility of the climate research community (and Al Gore's bullshit doesn't help either). Sounds like a win for skepticism. High 5's all around. |
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| Author: | NYIntensity [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Independent 'Climategate' Panel Exonerates Scientists |
I found an old piece of wood on a mountain in Turkey; I think it's Noah's Ark.... (that's credible, right?) |
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| Author: | Van_Da_Man [ Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Independent 'Climategate' Panel Exonerates Scientists |
NYIntensity wrote: I found an old piece of wood on a mountain in Turkey; I think it's Noah's Ark.... (that's credible, right?) I actually got excited about that until I a) heard that it would be impossible to get that much water on the planet and b) how the fuck would the wood still be there? |
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| Author: | Sabresfansince1980 [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Independent 'Climategate' Panel Exonerates Scientists |
Stuuuuuuuuuuuu, you're just like anybody else that clings to a conclusion just because it fits your opinion. There's contradicting studies on both sides, so if you want to assume something go ahead, but don't call others out because they do the same thing on the other side of the fence. People need to understand that climate change has been going on for the entire duration of the earth's existance. Climate research has been going on for a minute fraction of that time over less than the last century. The amount that humans contribute to climate change is necessarily undetermined. More importantly, the amount of change US citizens can make (if in fact humans have any impact) based on the litany of environmental laws that have been passed or are on the horizon is miniscule if not at all possible. No matter how many Priuses anyone on the US drives, nothing will change as long as the rest of the world (or at least Russia, China, etc) doesn't care to change (if in fact humans have any impact what-so-ever). Either way, the whole climate change debate is a million times more political than it is about actual impact or change for the better. You're just another pawn that digs their heels in on one side or the other, and solidifies themsleves as a playing piece for politicians intent on getting a vote...congrats! |
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| Author: | Stuuuuuuu [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Independent 'Climategate' Panel Exonerates Scientists |
The greenhuse effect is not in question. Greenhouse gases contribute to the warming of the planet. Emissions from burning fossil fuels release CO2, whcih is a greenhouse gas. If we agree in the validity of logic, then those preceding statements lead to the undeniable conclusion that human activity does contribute to warming. How much? You're right, we don't know. But that doesn't mean to me that that takes away the imparitive to reduce greenhouse emissions. |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Independent 'Climategate' Panel Exonerates Scientists |
Stuuuuuuu wrote: Greenhouse gases contribute to the warming of the planet. Greenhouse gasses and the warmth they provide are also necessary to sustain life on the planet. The balance and tolerance of the system is what's in question. Some believe the system is more robust than others. |
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| Author: | daz28 [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Independent 'Climategate' Panel Exonerates Scientists |
NYIntensity wrote: I found an old piece of wood on a mountain in Turkey; I think it's Noah's Ark.... (that's credible, right?) It has no slant, therefore it has no source, which in turn makes it not credible. |
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| Author: | Squanto [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Independent 'Climategate' Panel Exonerates Scientists |
Sabresfansince1980 wrote: You're just another pawn that digs their heels in on one side or the other, and solidifies themsleves as a playing piece for politicians intent on getting a vote...congrats! Quite a condescending attitude there, dontcha think? |
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| Author: | CriminallyVu1gar [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Independent 'Climategate' Panel Exonerates Scientists |
I think the problem that people ignore is over-population. The current growth of the world population is not sustainable. (Not to mention those that tend to breed are morons). |
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| Author: | NYIntensity [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Independent 'Climategate' Panel Exonerates Scientists |
CriminallyVu1gar wrote: I think the problem that people ignore is over-population. The current growth of the world population is not sustainable. (Not to mention those that tend to breed are morons). While I take particular exception to the latter portion of your post, the former is quite true. We're bloating well past sustainable levels, and I really think that there ought to be some limitations, based on income, career, education, etc. People should need a license to procreate. |
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| Author: | Hammygoodness [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Independent 'Climategate' Panel Exonerates Scientists |
CriminallyVu1gar wrote: I think the problem that people ignore is over-population. The current growth of the world population is not sustainable. (Not to mention those that tend to breed are morons). You know, this claim has been made for 100 years. Yet we haven't reached a point of overpopulation. I know! Let's instate a program of eugenics. Ham |
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