http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/22/world/asia/afghanistan-rape/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

What the fuck are we over there for anyways? Protecting people who have formed a society with rules like this? Marry your rapist or be stoned to death?

Fuck honor killings, fuck islamic extremism, fuck spending hundreds of billions of dollars doing ANYTHING over there as far as i'm concerned. Christ I hate people sometimes.

Fuck that whole shitty sand dune of a country over there. Backwards civilization.

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Yup. Our foreign policy is a fucking disgrace.

The funny thing is, all the comments I see from people who live outside the states say we're brainwashed. "Stupid Americans! Why are you supporting all these wars? Bring your troops home and save yourselves!"

Crazy how messed up our political system is. The baby boomers are ruining this country for our generation. We've got such a huge mess to clean up...

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do the majority think that the "war" against Iraq/afganisthan was/is a crime?

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Name one war that was not criminal.

What is more criminal? To stop a country before it acts in deviant ways or to let a leader come to fruition and bring about the devastation of thousands, if not 10's of thousands, of people. See Africa.

Absolutely it's a crime. I think people in America are crazy for not being more upset about the invasion of Iraq. No nukes, no WMDs, no nothing. It was an occupation based on lies and war propaganda.

And to top it off, all we've done is make more enemies for ourselves.

This is Dr. Dahlia Wasfi. She's an American of Iraqi descent. She still has family who lives in Iraq, and she's been over there and seen the damage and destruction and talked to her family and friends. Listen to what she says. That's all you need to know.

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Wars are based on natural resources. What we have to realize is that with the world population influx and impending economic disasters this world could fall into a dark time. There is only so much food and water this earth can produce and with an increase in population comes the destruction of suitable environments for agricultural purposes. These next 25 years will see much bloodshed.

http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=213343

Winner. The monies we spend over there for stability in the oil-rich areas of the world are worth every penny. Think of it like a heart, body, and blood. Oil is the blood. We are the body, and the stability of that area is the heart. Any disruptions in oil prices and/or supply is NOT GOOD, especially in these troubled economic times.

Uh...this thread is about Afghanistan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... production

They don't even make the list.
Please tell me what natural resource (since it obviously isn't fucking oil) wer're trying to get out of Afghanistan.

Oh, right, there isn't one.

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Might the thread be about stability in the (arab) region??

Edit: Just like a politician, I could pull one out of my ass here, too. "We're in Afghanistan to lower poppy production for the safety of our citizens here who have fallen victim to heroin addiction". jk, and already been used. Anyways, the point is we HAVE TO RESPECT the crazy arab bs the op stated. If we thought we could just kill them all, and maintain strong relations abroad, we would. Unfortunately, we can't, so the game goes on. Hell, if it wasn't for oil, we'd be out of Iraq and Afghan long ago, and would have never even been if Iraq.

Instability in Afghanistan has been the norm for about 1000 years.
It effects the rest of the region very little.

Come on, make a better argument, like we're just war mongers who like to keep a military presence next to Iran. That makes more sense.

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haha, I gave a political stance of my own in the edit. I'm sure Iran will be a new topic all its own soon. I'm also sure that will be about WMD, and CERTAINLY NOT oil.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html?pagewanted=all

The previously unknown deposits — including huge veins of iron, copper, cobalt, gold and critical industrial metals like lithium — are so big and include so many minerals that are essential to modern industry that Afghanistan could eventually be transformed into one of the most important mining centers in the world, the United States officials believe.



Please, watch your tone sir. An inquiry about the natural resources in question would have been more reasonable. Afghanistan happens to have vast mineral resources. The lowball amount they belive to be had in their mountainous land is in the hundreds of millions, the high being in the trillions(compliments of a libo propaganda site). Sad part is that China has already bought the rights to these deposits, this despite our economic and human investment/destruction(depending on how you look at it)

in 2001 the citizens of the USA screamed for blood and so they attacked Afganisthan (cause of their connections to binladen) . after destroying the whole country, murdering thousands of people they wanted to move on to Iraq. unfortunately the people's hate (after 9/11) wasn't enough to immediately attack the Iraq so they had to invent a reason for their mission. (certainly to take control of the rich resources).... so they bombed down Iraq and murdered about 500 000 civilists ( directly or indirectly) . (correct me if anything is completely wrong. certainly it's a very short summing-up )

will the USA attack the Iran in near future?

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You are absolutely right. Iran is the good samaritan and would never attack anyone. They are certainly not openly pursuing nuclear enrichment. And there has most certainly not been a watchdog group to come out and say that they are close to being able to produce a nuclear weapon. I know what you are going to say "Same people that said Iraq had WMD." Well you would be wrong. That was our government and this watchdog group said that Iraq had no such weapons. THEY HAVE/WILL HAVE WMD.

Well, this may be a stretch, but cross failed to follow the trail to oil, which ALL roads lead to. We went to AFG to route terrorism(supposedly). Terrorism is a Muslim issue, and since the middle east is all Muslim, they are VERY intertwined. How we act in AFG is certainly being watched by all Muslims, and we need more than just the Kurds on our side.


Right, but I'm saying the discussion will be over WMD and not oil. If Iran gets nukes, then they can double the price of oil, and start dictating their opwn terms on MANY things. WMD aren't for using, they're for leverage.

But here, in this thread we're talking about Afghanistan...which has no oil.
Actually, it has very little of strategic value or natural riches.
So why is this conversation about Iraq, Iran and "blood for oil"?

anyway...this whole Iran with a nuke thing has been building for oh, what, 10-15 years?
Is that all the manufacturing of the US?
Is the IAEA and the UN just our puppets?
Pretty much the entire region is 100% against the ayatollahs having a nuke...not just our Israeli masters.

Iran with a working nuke isn't just an excuse to invade, otherwise they wouldn't build it.

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no XC as you can read we are discussing about the whole region and the US-strategy to take control of it.

what do you think about the massmurder committed by the USA in Afganistan and Iraq?

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Guess you decided to breeze over the trillion dollar mineral deposit part.