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mechaphil
 Post subject: Re: Short version
PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:32 pm 
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Gerbe has been 100% ineffective as an NHL player (sorry, Aaron).

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mechaphil wrote:
Gerbe has been 100% ineffective as an NHL player (sorry, Aaron).

I liked it when he knocked Callahan on his ass. Hahaha. Okay...back on topic. sorry.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:20 am 
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Well I believe with Poms out at least for alittle while this should give Gerbe a great shot to show what he can do on the top two lines if Ruff puts him there. One thing I don't like is Gaustad on the Powerplay. I know he's probably out their to win the draw and stand in front of the net but I'm not impressed with Gaustad at all. His skating ability is so bad.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:40 am 
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SabresBillsFan wrote:
Well I believe with Poms out at least for alittle while this should give Gerbe a great shot to show what he can do on the top two lines if Ruff puts him there. One thing I don't like is Gaustad on the Powerplay. I know he's probably out their to win the draw and stand in front of the net but I'm not impressed with Gaustad at all. His skating ability is so bad.



Yeah, hate to sound like Ferret here...but dear god why is the Goose ever on the PP? He seems to get in the way more than anything else. Give the PP minutes to our skill players. (not that it seems to matter much, have we even had a PP goal this year?)


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mechaphil
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You're all so quick to hate the PP that nearly all of you ignore the fact Roy's opening night GWG was on the PP.

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Squanto
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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Yeah, hate to sound like Ferret here...but dear god why is the Goose ever on the PP? He seems to get in the way more than anything else. Give the PP minutes to our skill players. (not that it seems to matter much, have we even had a PP goal this year?)


Goose s a good second unit player that takes up a good amount of space in the front of the crease. He's really the only guy besides Vanek that has shown he's willing to go in there and get roughed up.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:21 am 
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Squanto wrote:
YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Yeah, hate to sound like Ferret here...but dear god why is the Goose ever on the PP? He seems to get in the way more than anything else. Give the PP minutes to our skill players. (not that it seems to matter much, have we even had a PP goal this year?)


Goose s a good second unit player that takes up a good amount of space in the front of the crease. He's really the only guy besides Vanek that has shown he's willing to go in there and get roughed up.



While I agree with that...exactly how effective is he on the PP? So what if we can claim the space in front of the net if we cant exploit that at all?


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YankeeInRaleigh
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:23 am 
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mechaphil wrote:
You're all so quick to hate the PP that nearly all of you ignore the fact Roy's opening night GWG was on the PP.



...and the rest of the time it's been a complete joke.


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Squanto
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:26 am 
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That's a valid point.

I think the problem is that if you go 4 skill / 1 defense, and don't put someone in front, the 4 killers will just collapse down into the slot and keep everything to the outside. You're not going to score much that way, although scoring at all would be an improvement. :)

That big body down low forces one killer to cover him, which forces the other 3 to adjust, which can then help exploit holes in the coverage. The more you can get the defense to move, the better chance you can get them to make a mistake and get out of position.

I don't know what the answer is though to be honest. The PP hasn't been good for years, and they've seemed to try almost everything I could see to change it up. They need to do something, that much is obvious.


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slesh
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:30 am 
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slesh wrote:
Its not about losing just 2 games. If you can't face the facts that are displayed on the ice by this team, I am truly sorry. But reality is what it is. Miller sucked, the defense sucked, the power play sucked, Vanek is non-existent on the score sheet and Connolly showed up once in 3 games for a goal.

Please god, tell me you dispute these facts, if you do, go get some glasses, PLEASE!


You initially wrote that the "defense sucks" where as you have changed it to "sucked". Big difference between sucking for two games and just plain sucking. Big difference between your first post which we disagreed with and your second post which for the most part is true. So far we have some players who have under-performed.....but the sky isn't falling.

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Defense sucks ass.
Power Play is non-existent.
Vanek is worthless.
Connolly is the same.
Miller is not to be blamed, but WTF? You want a legacy, try building one. One great season does not a champion make.Myers and Ennis show promise, with growing pains.


Are you serious? We have played three fucking games and you act like we've blown the season. Go buy some perspective and some muscle relaxers sheeesh.

Ok, so, by expressing my opinion on how certain components of the teams play have looked in the regular season to date somehow entitles me to muscle relaxers is a mystery.
But to your point on the defense, there have already been multiple mistakes by this years unit which have turned into points for the opponents. So ya, the defense doesn't look like its actually improved from last season as of now, thats a fair assesment.

Vanek is paid big money, he needs to be a game changing player. Period.
Connolly..................I can't believe you even highlighted anything there..............
As for Miller, yes, I stand by my assesment that he does not look as focused as last season.

And your point is taken on how you feel.

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Squanto
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:35 am 
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slesh wrote:
Vanek is paid big money, he needs to be a game changing player. Period.


I've never agreed with this argument for any player.

A team's stars should be their best players, that's true. However, the money they make shouldn't factor in.


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slesh
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:45 am 
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Squanto wrote:
slesh wrote:
Vanek is paid big money, he needs to be a game changing player. Period.


I've never agreed with this argument for any player.

A team's stars should be their best players, that's true. However, the money they make shouldn't factor in.

Well, thats where you and I differ in opinion Squanto. I'm in no way suggesting Vanek was asking for that money. I know the circumstances, as we all do as to why he is paid the amount he is.

I do, however, expect management and the coaching staff to get him the help he needs to achieve the success rate per his payscale we all know he is capable of.
I was one of the ones advocating a major trade, both at the deadline and in the off-season for a RWer or Center that would be a means to that end.
My choices were sometimes off the wall (ala Eric Staal) and sometimes within reason (ala Brad Richards).

Just some food for thought is all.

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 Post subject: Re: Short version
PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:28 am 
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slesh wrote:
Vanek is paid big money, he needs to be a game changing player. Period.
Connolly..................I can't believe you even highlighted anything there..............
As for Miller, yes, I stand by my assesment that he does not look as focused as last season.

And your point is taken on how you feel.


Dude, I'm saying the same thing that Squanto is so why the fuck are you arguing with me? Here's a bit from the Myers thread in which you claimed to understand what we're saying...but you come in here and bitch to me. WTF?

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My position on this is simple.

The Sabres have played 180 minutes of hockey out of close to 5000 they will play this year. They have not played enough hockey for certain conclusions to be made.

Reasonable : "The defense looks a little shaky right now."
Unreasonable : "Defense sucks ass."

Reasonable : "Vanek really looks like he's fighting it. You'd hope he would bury some of his chances, he's had plenty."
Unreasonable : "Vanek is worthless."

Reasonable : "Miller doesn't look like himself. Wasn't really tested in Ottawa, and it doesn't seem like him to lay down back to bank stinkers, especially at home."
Unreasonable : "Miller is not to be blamed, but WTF? You want a legacy, try building one. One great season does not a champion make."

I don't mean to pick on your comments only, but they were quicker to find.

It's one thing to express some concern over the last couple games. It's quite another to lay down blanket generalizations based on such a small sample size. That's what is driving me, and others, bonkers.

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Got ya Squanto, my comments are short and to the point, maybe a disclaimer in my sig denoting that "the opinions are only of the already played games and in no way reflect the remainder of the season" should be added to help dispell certain "up in arms" thoughts.

So you get what I'm saying. So why are you butt hurt?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:53 pm 
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All this negative BS, the ripping on our players... wow. We really have a bunch of people who should be coaching in the NHL or should be GM's. Get over yourselves, you're not that knowledgeable. If so, YOU'd be running the team and likely in the direction of the ground.

Get rid of this player, bench that player, buy out so & so just to get him off our books... good christ it's not April here people, it's fucking October. But yet, at the end of the year if/when things turn around these are the same ones who will be praising the guys on our team and claiming they believed in them all along.

Gives me a headache, it does...

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:00 pm 
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If I was running the team I'd tell Larry Quinn to fuck off and spend to the cap and win a Stanley Cup.

I am that confident in my abilities.

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