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CriminallyVu1gar
 Post subject: Re: TBL vs BUF 11/20
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:47 pm 
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With so many different types of shots, I don't think shooting percentage tells you very much at all. When I want to look at a guy's shooting accuracy, I use a different shooting percentage: percentage of shots that hit the net. You can't score unless your shot is actually at the goal.

You know, unless you're Jochen Hecht.


Aren't shots only recorded if they are on net?


Yes, but sites like NHL.com keep tracked of missed shot. I think the percentage of shots that are on net give a better indication of a shooter's skill and accuracy than the number of goals that go in out of shots recorded. The latter is heavily influenced by luck and linemates. The former is not.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
With so many different types of shots, I don't think shooting percentage tells you very much at all. When I want to look at a guy's shooting accuracy, I use a different shooting percentage: percentage of shots that hit the net. You can't score unless your shot is actually at the goal.

You know, unless you're Jochen Hecht.


Aren't shots only recorded if they are on net?


Yes, but sites like NHL.com keep tracked of missed shot. I think the percentage of shots that are on net give a better indication of a shooter's skill and accuracy than the number of goals that go in out of shots recorded. The latter is heavily influenced by luck and linemates. The former is not.

They do keep track of them, but when you get a shooting percentage, only the shots on net are recorded in that stat since those are the official SOG.

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CriminallyVu1gar
 Post subject: Re: TBL vs BUF 11/20
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:53 pm 
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I know that, I'm not arguing that point. I'm merely saying that (shots on net)/(shots taken) is a better "shooting percentage" than (Goals)/(Shots on net).

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 Post subject: Re: TBL vs BUF 11/20
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:59 pm 
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I guess so. I see what you mean now then.

I just looked and Vanek has 75 shots on goal, 8 goals, and 33 missed shots.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:50 pm 
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Well, guess we held our own against Tampa. They're raping Boston right now in the 2nd.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
I think the percentage of shots that are on net give a better indication of a shooter's skill and accuracy than the number of goals that go in out of shots recorded. The latter is heavily influenced by luck and linemates. The former is not.


I disagree.

You are saying that the numer of shots on net vs. goals made is a better indicator of skill than recorded shots vs. goals made. That's like playing darts and not considering all the darts that missed the dartboard entirely when assessing a players skill.

To tell you the truth, if you're taking shots that completely miss, they are as much an indicator of skill as the ones you get on net and the ones you get in.

You wanna find out who the better shooters are?
Take their first 100 shots.
Who got the most goals?
Who only got a SOG?
Who missed completely?

You also have to consider annoying details like who else is on the ice for the other team, who's in goal, is the guy suffering any nagging injuries, etc.

Also consider, when a goalie sees a great player heading toward him, I'll bet his butthole puckers just a bit more than if it's some rookie in his 3rd game. That goalie adrenaline can work magic on superstars.

So many variables skew certain stats to a point where they're not especially meaningful. My fav stat to hate is +/-, it's often deceptive and tells half a story.


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 Post subject: Re: TBL vs BUF 11/20
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powerplayer wrote:
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I think the percentage of shots that are on net give a better indication of a shooter's skill and accuracy than the number of goals that go in out of shots recorded. The latter is heavily influenced by luck and linemates. The former is not.


I disagree.

You are saying that the numer of shots on net vs. goals made is a better indicator of skill than recorded shots vs. goals made. That's like playing darts and not considering all the darts that missed the dartboard entirely when assessing a players skill.

To tell you the truth, if you're taking shots that completely miss, they are as much an indicator of skill as the ones you get on net and the ones you get in.

You wanna find out who the better shooters are?
Take their first 100 shots.
Who got the most goals?
Who only got a SOG?
Who missed completely?

You also have to consider annoying details like who else is on the ice for the other team, who's in goal, is the guy suffering any nagging injuries, etc.

Also consider, when a goalie sees a great player heading toward him, I'll bet his butthole puckers just a bit more than if it's some rookie in his 3rd game. That goalie adrenaline can work magic on superstars.

So many variables skew certain stats to a point where they're not especially meaningful. My fav stat to hate is +/-, it's often deceptive and tells half a story.



No I'm saying that the percentage of shots a player puts on net is a better indicator than the traditional shooting percentage stat. The reason I like the percentage of shots put on net is because it DOES account for shots that missed the net completely. (What part of (shots on goal)/(Total shots taken) did you not understand?)

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But even still taking a shot isn't as easy as it always seems, you have guys in the way, you have many different variables. You could be aiming straight for the net, but the puck flips up on you and the shot misses completely.

I know you can't always have perfect shots all the time, but so many other factors are involved when someone misses a shot. We always scream shoot, but sometimes they simply can't because there would not be a point in shooting it straight into the player in front of you also.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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 Post subject: Re: TBL vs BUF 11/20
PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:25 am 
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I scream shoot when there's a shooting lane and I am never wrong.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
I scream shoot when there's a shooting lane and I am never wrong.

Lindy would like to welcome our clubs new power play coach to the team. :dance:
I think you were supposed to be at work yesterday at HSBC Arena. I saw Lindy was pretty fucking upset when you didn't show up. ;)
He took it out on our poor, poor players. NOW GET TO FUCKING WORK AND FIX THIS SHIT CV! :D

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 Post subject: Re: TBL vs BUF 11/20
PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:46 pm 
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slesh wrote:
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I scream shoot when there's a shooting lane and I am never wrong.

Lindy would like to welcome our clubs new power play coach to the team. :dance:
I think you were supposed to be at work yesterday at HSBC Arena. I saw Lindy was pretty fucking upset when you didn't show up. ;)
He took it out on our poor, poor players. NOW GET TO FUCKING WORK AND FIX THIS SHIT CV! :D



Problem isn't their shot selection though. They shoot probably about 80% of the time when I yell shoot. It's passing well enough to move a few guys and get those lanes. That happens too rarely.

I bitched at some fans in front of me for yelling shoot in the Tampa game haha. I was like "Sekera had nothing to shoot at except the defender's shins."

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
slesh wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
I scream shoot when there's a shooting lane and I am never wrong.

Lindy would like to welcome our clubs new power play coach to the team. :dance:
I think you were supposed to be at work yesterday at HSBC Arena. I saw Lindy was pretty fucking upset when you didn't show up. ;)
He took it out on our poor, poor players. NOW GET TO FUCKING WORK AND FIX THIS SHIT CV! :D



Problem isn't their shot selection though. They shoot probably about 80% of the time when I yell shoot. It's passing well enough to move a few guys and get those lanes. That happens too rarely.

I bitched at some fans in front of me for yelling shoot in the Tampa game haha. I was like "Sekera had nothing to shoot at except the defender's shins."


I'm with you there.

If they move the puck with more urgency, they'll create better lanes.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
slesh wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
I scream shoot when there's a shooting lane and I am never wrong.

Lindy would like to welcome our clubs new power play coach to the team. :dance:
I think you were supposed to be at work yesterday at HSBC Arena. I saw Lindy was pretty fucking upset when you didn't show up. ;)
He took it out on our poor, poor players. NOW GET TO FUCKING WORK AND FIX THIS SHIT CV! :D



Problem isn't their shot selection though. They shoot probably about 80% of the time when I yell shoot. It's passing well enough to move a few guys and get those lanes. That happens too rarely.

I bitched at some fans in front of me for yelling shoot in the Tampa game haha. I was like "Sekera had nothing to shoot at except the defender's shins."



I never understood why more players don't aim for their nuts, and then grab the puck while they are buckled over in pain and enjoy a nice two man advantage.

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