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SabresBillsFan
PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:00 am 
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That's a great wall of text. None of it has to do with teams tanking for draft picks, which was your main point I disputed. Sucking for a while and stacking draft picks is completely different than not trying to win games to get those draft picks.

Just because Sabres fans travel well doesn't mean we're the greatest fans in the world. You know where I can find a couple thousand fans of the opposing team? Every Red Sox away game.

The 'best fans in the world' also wouldn't have a half dead arena with no energy on most nights, which we do here.

I don't know if he meant intentionally tanking. I for one don't want them to throw games or anything but I sure as hell would rather they finish in the bottom end of the pool and get a good pick than middle of the pool and get crap. I know they won't tank on purpose, I just pray for suckage....for future non-suckage.


I have never said Tank ever. Their play can do that for them. All I'm saying is winning meanless games down the stretch with no chance at playoffs really hurts the team in the long haul.


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Squanto wrote:
That's a great wall of text. None of it has to do with teams tanking for draft picks, which was your main point I disputed. Sucking for a while and stacking draft picks is completely different than not trying to win games to get those draft picks.

Just because Sabres fans travel well doesn't mean we're the greatest fans in the world. You know where I can find a couple thousand fans of the opposing team? Every Red Sox away game.

The 'best fans in the world' also wouldn't have a half dead arena with no energy on most nights, which we do here.

I don't know if he meant intentionally tanking. I for one don't want them to throw games or anything but I sure as hell would rather they finish in the bottom end of the pool and get a good pick than middle of the pool and get crap. I know they won't tank on purpose, I just pray for suckage....for future non-suckage.

the sabres have a habit of sucking just enough to not get a good pick

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Wozniak wrote:
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Squanto wrote:
That's a great wall of text. None of it has to do with teams tanking for draft picks, which was your main point I disputed. Sucking for a while and stacking draft picks is completely different than not trying to win games to get those draft picks.

Just because Sabres fans travel well doesn't mean we're the greatest fans in the world. You know where I can find a couple thousand fans of the opposing team? Every Red Sox away game.

The 'best fans in the world' also wouldn't have a half dead arena with no energy on most nights, which we do here.

I don't know if he meant intentionally tanking. I for one don't want them to throw games or anything but I sure as hell would rather they finish in the bottom end of the pool and get a good pick than middle of the pool and get crap. I know they won't tank on purpose, I just pray for suckage....for future non-suckage.

the sabres have a habit of sucking just enough to not get a good pick


Agreed. We sucked enough in 2002-2003 to get a higher pick, but still not enough to get the overall pick.

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I have never said Tank ever. Their play can do that for them. All I'm saying is winning meanless games down the stretch with no chance at playoffs really hurts the team in the long haul.


Saying that you hope the team doesn't win games down the stretch to improve their draft position is EXACTLY the same think as saying that you hope the team tanks to improve their draft position. It's the same damn thing. Both statements imply that a team is better off losing, which is absurd.


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Well personally I would rather get an overall draft pick for once instead of holding my breath and doing the playoff math again. If they suck intentionally then I would be dissapointed but if they just sank to last place because they are honestly that bad I'd welcome the good pick and the rebuild this spring. None of this is tangible anyhow so I don't think anyone needs to be pissed off. The team will do what it does and any fan's "wishh" is no big deal, just a wish. Hell, I wish we picked up Chara, Pronger, Avery and Lucic......but it ain't gonna happen.

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Squanto wrote:
SabresBillsFan wrote:
I have never said Tank ever. Their play can do that for them. All I'm saying is winning meanless games down the stretch with no chance at playoffs really hurts the team in the long haul.


Saying that you hope the team doesn't win games down the stretch to improve their draft position is EXACTLY the same think as saying that you hope the team tanks to improve their draft position. It's the same damn thing. Both statements imply that a team is better off losing, which is absurd.


He's saying he hopes we lose more games so we get a higher draft position. He doesn't want the players to throw the game, he wants us to lose.

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I guess if you're rooting against the team, my question is, why are you still watching at that point?

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
I guess if you're rooting against the team, my question is, why are you still watching at that point?


It's bigger than simply "rooting against" the team. I am tired of watching shit hockey and unless we dismantle this low talent team and rebuild, that's what we'll just continue to be fed. Would I rather them make the playoffs and do well? Fuck yes I would. Realistically though they just aren't good enough. I want a better team and a reason to root instead of simply waving my poms poms because it's expected. Also, no one is "rooting" against the Sabres. Again, realistically though doing poorly this season would be much better for our future than skimming by in ninth place. Kind of like suffering now for sucess in the long run. Disagree if ya want, it's just my opinion.

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If you make this argument in July, that's one thing.

It's another one altogether to make it in December when the team is looking up at the playoffs. If you WANT the team to lose, you're rooting against them no matter which way you slice it.

Unless you're ready to play like shit for 3 or 4 seasons to stock top 5 picks, and are willing to suffer through that, then ok. But saying that after the team has played 35 games that you hope they lose a lot the rest of the way makes no damn sense. One draft pick does not turn a franchise around. Neither does giving up on the season in December.


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I won't root for the team to lose, but I am at the point where I won't get upset at losses, because it does offer a better draft choice, which can be crucial(see Buffalo Bills).


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SabresBillsFan
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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
I guess if you're rooting against the team, my question is, why are you still watching at that point?


It's bigger than simply "rooting against" the team. I am tired of watching shit hockey and unless we dismantle this low talent team and rebuild, that's what we'll just continue to be fed. Would I rather them make the playoffs and do well? Fuck yes I would. Realistically though they just aren't good enough. I want a better team and a reason to root instead of simply waving my poms poms because it's expected. Also, no one is "rooting" against the Sabres. Again, realistically though doing poorly this season would be much better for our future than skimming by in ninth place. Kind of like suffering now for sucess in the long run. Disagree if ya want, it's just my opinion.


a big +1. I would rather suffer now because this team isn't going anywhere with the injury to Roy and having garbage like Connolly and Rivet on the team.


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Squanto wrote:
If you make this argument in July, that's one thing.

It's another one altogether to make it in December when the team is looking up at the playoffs. If you WANT the team to lose, you're rooting against them no matter which way you slice it.

Unless you're ready to play like shit for 3 or 4 seasons to stock top 5 picks, and are willing to suffer through that, then ok. But saying that after the team has played 35 games that you hope they lose a lot the rest of the way makes no damn sense. One draft pick does not turn a franchise around. Neither does giving up on the season in December.


A draft pick like that could certainly help. But I still don't think we should tank at all.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
Squanto wrote:
If you make this argument in July, that's one thing.

It's another one altogether to make it in December when the team is looking up at the playoffs. If you WANT the team to lose, you're rooting against them no matter which way you slice it.

Unless you're ready to play like shit for 3 or 4 seasons to stock top 5 picks, and are willing to suffer through that, then ok. But saying that after the team has played 35 games that you hope they lose a lot the rest of the way makes no damn sense. One draft pick does not turn a franchise around. Neither does giving up on the season in December.


A draft pick like that could certainly help. But I still don't think we should tank at all.


No-one is saying lose on purpose the team can do that on it's own. This team is scary bad anyways.


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