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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:21 pm 
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From Ruff all the way down to Mair, there are few teams in the NHL this season that have been as focused and motivated as the Buffalo Sabres.

If their play up to this point hasn't been enough to convince you of this, look no further than the little comments during post game interviews and other tidbits about practice that clearly suggest this team's goal is far beyond just making the playoffs.

Here's a pregame article from wgr550.com with some interesting information about the approach Lindy Ruff is using to push his team to far beyond their limits.

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We've spoken many times about how Lindy Ruff has changed the way he coaches to a more positive frame of mind. Mike Grier has noticed it coming back for his second tour with Buffalo.

"He's not yelling and getting after guys as much openly. I think now more he's treating a lot of the guys who have grown up a little bit, he's treating them more like men. If he has a problem with somebody he's bringing them into the office and talking to them one to one and giving guys advice like that. I don't think he's getting after guys in front of the whole team or the media, the practices have been hard, but they've been shorter and that's kept our legs fresher when it comes to the games."

Ruff has frequent meetings with a core group of players. They are Grier, Ryan Miller, Paul Gaustad, Craig Rivet, Jason Pominville, Thomas Vanek, Jochen Hecht and Derek Roy.

The team is just one point out of first place in the East and have three strong months of play in. Ruff keeps it going by meeting with these players.

"We met yesterday for breakfast. We talked about where we want to improve as a team, the areas in the first 40 games we thought were good. We covered everything, travel scenarios, to our days off just trying to get feedback. To a man everybody said 'we want to improve the powerplay'. The one thing we asked of the last meeting was everybody had to bring something to the table, you weren't allowed to just sit there and nod your head." Grier said, "It's been good, it's an opportunity for the coaching staff to express their opinions on how the team's playing and at the same time for us as players to give him our opinion on what's going on in the room and on the ice, what we need to do better and what we need to do going forward to be better on the ice. They've been very open to our suggestions and that's made for a good environment here."


Recently, I've seen some improvement in the power play. The puck is moving quicker, they're skating harder, and the entries have been more successful.

I credit the organization from making the necessary coaching change to help the team in that area.

Most of all though, I credit the players. Take a look at this recent winning streak. It began with very poor starts converted into impressive comeback wins. The players knew they needed to address that issue, and they come out with the 3 fastest goals in team history to start a game.

They've also stepped up the goal scoring during this win streak as they've been pressured to all season long. Tim Connolly has been very impressive, riding an 8 game point streak and playing solid, physical hockey in addition to his statistical production.

This is clearly not the same underachieving bunch of young guys of the past two seasons. This team has transformed into one of the most lethal teams to play against in the NHL, through nothing but hard work and dedication.

The will to improve is obviously there, and if they keep themselves unsatisfied and push themselves to improve no matter how well they're playing, they will be a very scary team come April.

A major test is coming up as they head out on the longest road trip of the season. If they can battle through it and come up with some big wins, this team will be considered a fringe team no longer.

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Interesting peek into what goes on off the ice. I'm always interested in this. I wish there was more access to this kind of thing in sports, hockey in particular.

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Hammygoodness wrote:
Interesting peek into what goes on off the ice. I'm always interested in this. I wish there was more access to this kind of thing in sports, hockey in particular.

Ham

I agree...oh to be a fly on the wall! ;)

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the leafs threw 50 shots at miller. if any other goalie is in, or if miller wasnt in that elusive 6th gear, the leafs win. this sort of hockey will not make for a long post season.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
the leafs threw 50 shots at miller. if any other goalie is in, or if miller wasnt in that elusive 6th gear, the leafs win. this sort of hockey will not make for a long post season.


It was one game against a division rival.

And they won.

This isn't a pattern. It's an anomaly.

The Buffalo Sabres are certainly built and geared for a long post season.

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i dunno. i dont think they are there yet. they need to improve via trade for a player or two... maybe the sabres can finally bring in cole from carolina?

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the leafs threw 50 shots at miller. if any other goalie is in, or if miller wasnt in that elusive 6th gear, the leafs win. this sort of hockey will not make for a long post season.

Aren't the Leafs always one of the highest shooting teams in the league, yet they still have one of the worst records in the league.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
i dunno. i dont think they are there yet. they need to improve via trade for a player or two... maybe the sabres can finally bring in cole from carolina?


At this point of the season, I strongly disagree.

I'll get back to you in February.

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fair enough, but you cant win a stanley cup in january.

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Two improvements have taken place lately. 1) Connolly has stepped up and kept it up. If he keeps it up, at least two other forwards will produce more and up to expectations. 2) The goal production has increased to an acceptable level.

I'm still holding out on the PP because 3-3 is nice, but it was against the worst PK team in the league. Myers moving around on the PP was different though, and I can only hope that Patrick has something to do with that.

What I'm most concerned about in the 2nd half is three tough road trips, and more away games in general. It's a tall order to pick up more points on a road heavy schedule. Even after this road trip, the next four games are against NJ, Bos, at Pitt, and Ott. It's going to be tough, and Lalime will have to start more often. Even if the team is playing well they probably won't be as successful as the 1st half.

With Boston actually getting worse off with injuries they probably don't have to worry about the division, but the battle for the 1 or 2 seed will be hard. If they are playing the way they are now and scoring a little more, both 5-on-5 and PP, the seed won't matter.


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I like the most that Ruff is treating players like men and always meeting and getting input from his core group of players, and that is important.

You don't need to yell at players to get them going, Everyone knows Tony Dungy was a great coach in football, and he never yelled. The players respected him and listened to him without him yelling.

his is by definition of a great coach, one who doesn't have to yell at players to motivate, calmly talking is the key.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Well, Dungy's approach went nowhere in TB. That went on for much too long while there were lots of players that deserved an ass chewing. I watched that team from his first days as a coach (yes, there were Bucs fans back in '96). Dungy needed to move on and I was hardly the only fan that agreed with the move.

There is no one coaching style that will work with any team. It takes a good coach to understand what he's got to work with, and take an approach that will work with that group. I think now Ruff is simply banking on some level of maturation. After all, if it isn't there by now the yelling isn't going to work at this point anyway.

Of course, maybe he should've yelled at them right before the 1st period.


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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
I think now Ruff is simply banking on some level of maturation.

It sounds like Ruff is the one who has matured, not the players. We're talking about men age 22-35 here. I know if my boss gives me an ass chewing in front of the rest of the staff, I'm gonna think he's a real tool.


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Well SF1980, I never saw Dungy in those days, but I guess when you have a high class Franchise QB and some of the best receivers in the game it will work wonders with what he did.

Yelling to me is only useful when you really want someone across the room or something. I honestly don't care to be yelled at, it doesn't phase me because I'm just like whatever, it's funny to hear you right now and you're a douche.

But if someone tells me something calmly about something I did, I'll listen to it closer, because it really hits home more when their voice isn't raised.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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daz28 wrote:
Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
I think now Ruff is simply banking on some level of maturation.

It sounds like Ruff is the one who has matured, not the players. We're talking about men age 22-35 here. I know if my boss gives me an ass chewing in front of the rest of the staff, I'm gonna think he's a real tool.



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A practice setting and a typical work setting are two different things. In practice coaches have to yell a lot just so players hear them over the other activity going on. If the thing going wrong at the time is about effort, many times a coach getting up in your face and yelling in front of your teammates is the motivation necessary. That's just the way it is for some players, and coaches get used to seeing results that way from those players. Obviously it doesn't work that way for others, but yelling still and always will have it's place in the sports world. If grown men can't handle it, deserved or not, then maybe they need to sit or find something else to do.

At some point in an athlete's path to becoming a professional, they will have developed a fairly thick skin for this stuff. The coach's challenge is not in offending people, but realizing when the message isn't being heard anymore. There has to be results, and if there aren't results anymore, even if players deserve the ass chewing, then another route has to be taken if success is the ultimate goal.

I could give a bunch of boring stories from when I played football, hockey, and even from baseball about successful ass chewings. I might have two or three examples of players that didn't respond to being called out, but they were selfish or didn't even really care about playing. For this Sabres team, most of these guys have two years worth of proof that what they wanted to do isn't going to work. That should speak for itself without Lindy having to yell about much anymore.


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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
the leafs threw 50 shots at miller. if any other goalie is in, or if miller wasnt in that elusive 6th gear, the leafs win. this sort of hockey will not make for a long post season.

Oh, well good thing we have Miller then.

I'm soooo sick of people saying, "If we didn't have Miller, we'd be a terrible team!"

Well guess what, we have Ryan Miller. He's a part of this team. People need to stop excluding him and playing those games of what "could be" if he wasn't in the picture.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
the leafs threw 50 shots at miller. if any other goalie is in, or if miller wasnt in that elusive 6th gear, the leafs win. this sort of hockey will not make for a long post season.

Oh, well good thing we have Miller then.

I'm soooo sick of people saying, "If we didn't have Miller, we'd be a terrible team!"

Well guess what, we have Ryan Miller. He's a part of this team. People need to stop excluding him and playing those games of what "could be" if he wasn't in the picture.


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the leafs threw 50 shots at miller. if any other goalie is in, or if miller wasnt in that elusive 6th gear, the leafs win. this sort of hockey will not make for a long post season.

Oh, well good thing we have Miller then.

I'm soooo sick of people saying, "If we didn't have Miller, we'd be a terrible team!"

Well guess what, we have Ryan Miller. He's a part of this team. People need to stop excluding him and playing those games of what "could be" if he wasn't in the picture.


even miller with his B game wouldnt have won that game. it is what it is. if this team wants to succeed come april and may, they cant rely on just having miller. its a variable fans have to take into account. and just as well, we saw what miller missing time can do to the team last year down the stretch. so, yeah, it is something that can be discussed.

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Just remember we were a right around a 4-6 seed all last year before Miller went down. Adding a super star young defenseman, some vetran presence and grit, and a little more job competition, and you have us jumping up a few slots. The Sabres weren't a bad team last year and with the improvements they have been an awesome team this year.


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