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slesh
PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:50 am 
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Since DARCY NO NUTS REGIER knew we weren't gonna go into Cup Contention this season, he should have done the following:

TRADE THE ENTIRE ROSTER SAVE MILLER/MYERS for prospects and draft picks and let the Boys in Portland fill the roster out until the season ended in the playoffs or not. :o

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Timbo Slice
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Seriously, though - trade Loods and/or Hank to contenders for good players under contract, or picks. Build for the future if you absolutely know you won't win the Cup.


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slesh
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Timbo Slice wrote:
Seriously, though - trade Loods and/or Hank to contenders for good players under contract, or picks. Build for the future if you absolutely know you won't win the Cup.

You know whats sad Timbo, I was serious :shock: .
The UFA's should have been traded, yes, even Mair, for a 7th rounder if he could even get that. Same can be said of Stafford, Pomminville. I bet we could have dumped Pommers to Toronto for Stempniak and gave them the 2nd rd pick to do it. :o

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Burke wouldn't want a smallish non-physical former scorer with a high cap hit. I would've preferred trading Tallinder and Lydman, or any other UFA, and keep the picks for later.


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Timbo Slice
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slesh wrote:
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Seriously, though - trade Loods and/or Hank to contenders for good players under contract, or picks. Build for the future if you absolutely know you won't win the Cup.

You know whats sad Timbo, I was serious :shock: .
The UFA's should have been traded, yes, even Mair, for a 7th rounder if he could even get that. Same can be said of Stafford, Pomminville. I bet we could have dumped Pommers to Toronto for Stempniak and gave them the 2nd rd pick to do it. :o


Haha, well, not everyone.

Why not, though? Trade Mair, trade underachieving, invisible Stafford, and trade Pominville if there's a taker. That contract isn't very good.

Stempniak was had for a 5th and a 7th. What the heck, Darcy! Too much for you? He scored 27 goals and 50 points a couple years ago, he's young, AND he's from Buffalo! You couldn't give up two late picks? I don't understand.


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But now Stempniak is just another over paid support player. He's doesn't bring anything else to the ice if he isn't scoring.


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He might have had to keep stafford for trade bait in the summer. as for lydman, i really thought he would get shipped for picks, and weber would have gotten a shot to come up. Regier needs the playoffs to keep his job. even if it is one round and out (even if it really is quinn holding the strings). I would have thought a kaberle, Gilbert, Whitney would have been what they where looking for. He did say some of the kids in portland are making a real big push to be NHLers, didn't rule out them playing in the stretch.

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They didn't make a move to shed Loods and Hank out of fear. I'm assuming we kept the UFA's because he's afraid we might slide right out of the playoffs(losing prob $5-8 mill this year). Darcy made these moves today for the financial side. Strengthen the team enough to maybe make the 2nd round, and spend nothing for it. That's probably what happened to make such a shitty deadline day. The numbers got so tacky, they all(GM's) just gave up on complex negotiations.


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Timbo Slice wrote:
Seriously, though - trade Loods and/or Hank to contenders for good players under contract, or picks. Build for the future if you absolutely know you won't win the Cup.


I agree I would have unloaded Ldyman and Tallinder today and called up Weber. Get something for them before they walk for nothing. Like I have been saying for years now Darcy sucks as a GM. The last three years his trades have been shit during the season. The only solid trade I have seen is moving up and to acquire Myers in the draft. Torres is an upgrade over MacArthur but if Torres is just a rental why make that trade? I really think Darcy made that move because of the injury to Gaustad and that's the only reason and then trades MacArthur because we had a to cut alittle salary and 1 forward off the roster.


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Jim Bob
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Trading Lydman & Tallinder would be telling the locker room that the team is not committed to making the playoffs this season.

I don't believe that would be the right message to send right now.

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slesh
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Jim Bob wrote:
Trading Lydman & Tallinder would be telling the locker room that the team is not committed to making the playoffs this season.

I don't believe that would be the right message to send right now.

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Well Jim Bob, I was under the impression the players were telling management that they are not committed to making the playoffs with their play.

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Jim Bob
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slesh wrote:
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Well Jim Bob, I was under the impression the players were telling management that they are not committed to making the playoffs with their play.


So the correct response to that is for ownership and management to throw up their hands and walk away?

That's a worse approach than we are already getting from Golisano, Quinn, and Regier.

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i agree slesh...he should have shipped lydman, tallinder, and who ever else he could have...build for next year and beyond....this team is going now where this year....

it would be nice to get weber in the line up so he could get some seasoning for next year

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slesh
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MakinItLookMean wrote:
i agree slesh...he should have shipped lydman, tallinder, and who ever else he could have...build for next year and beyond....this team is going now where this year....

it would be nice to get weber in the line up so he could get some seasoning for next year

Thanks MILM, I think I did go a little over board on the drama, but its not because I sit here fuming. Its more of a drill the point home kind of thing. I run my business the same way, and its very successful. By no means does that mean I am a GM of a sports franchise, but what it does show people about me is that I am passionate about this team, this area. I walked away from a couple of solar and wind projects to focus on a rather large project for WNY. Not the best business environment, but its where my heart is.

Anyways, the points I make are methodical, they're not just rants and raves, I think you and others will understand after this little listing.

Darcy Regier is responsible for the product on the ice, period. He holds the title of GM, he makes the decisions, regardless of speculation on Quinn or TG, the face of these decisions is always going to be the GM.
Lets start with Darcy and Ruff in the Hasek era. Darcy did not have vision on what he had in Hasek, by this failure he made some franchise changing mistakes. First off, he didn't do an immediate impact study in a timely fashion. By the time he did realize what he had in Hasek, it was to late. A more aggressive approach and the no goal in game 6 may have become a non issue if he had acted swiftly and BOLDLY to bring in the front end help needed to push them to an even greater front end team, thereby potentially reducing the pressure on Hasek.

Lets skip ahead to the bankruptcy, not much of his doing, but we lived through it. Then the lock out, and this is what truly baffles me here, His team brought in the right components, showing me atleast, they went in the right direction, but following the build up to the 2 season run (05-06/06-07) complete incompetence set in at the management level. His inability to sign Drury and Briere and the subsequent decision to let them both walk is actually quite monumental in a franchises history. There is a rule that should be followed, and it should lead into the present day organization. Never let an asset walk for nothing unless you get something in return. Now how does this pan out for D/B? Well, Darcy took a rather careless risk that they would shoot for the cup in 06-07 but he knew full well they had no intention of signing both players, he took a huge gamble and figured one of them would resign. How he worked it, Drury first then Briere or vice versa is irrelevant, the risk he took cost the organization heavily in lost future potential. This was the second sign of incompotence from his decisions.

Now, you go into the off season and you have a core of young up and comers, but you have no data to support how they are going to gel (chemistry) or play together with the loss of the D/B. He made no significant moves to bring in any impact players to join this core group of youth and went for the build from with in method. This sounds great. But lets clear 2 major points up on this here. First the Vanek Affair (as I like to call it), he was correct in signing Vanek. You'll often see me post that we should have taken the 4 1st rounders, I say that half heartedly, Vaneks performance has only declined this season in all honesty, we'll get to this later. Then there was the Pomminville contract, this is another decision that gave clear indication he is incompetent. I never would have given Pommers 5 mil a season, as a matter of fact, before I joined these forums or the original forums, I was stating he should have received 4 mil a season, 5 years, flat.

Now on to the rebuild, 07-08 was a season waiting to happen, and every one knew it. 08-09 showed much more promise with Miller entering his prime and had built his skill level. Do we make the playoffs last season if Miller and Vanek don't go down? Ya, I believe so. But do we do anything towards a championship? Absolutely not. And here is the reason why, this current roster can't do it. Period. There is no conversation to have beyond this statement, it is what it is.
So, now we come back to this season, we have 2 UFA defense men who could have been moved at the deadline, even if its for picks, its worth it. Darcy could have packaged together those picks with MacArthur or Stafford as roster players to bring in a RWer. Horton? maybe, Boyes, maybe, Penner, maybe. The point is, Darcy did nothing to attempt to solidify a top 2 scoring line. Torres won't resign here, even with Toronto in its current state, Torres has stated its been his dream to play for his home town team and Burke has stated thats his kind of player.

So, if you look at it from a rebuilding stand point, we have Ennis, Weber, Gragnani, Mancari ready to come up.
Thats a C, RWer, 1 Offensive d man (Gragnani), 1 Defensive d man (Weber). People don't seem to realize, when Dineen makes statements that Gragnani is ready, he's ready. Its another one of those, it is what it is.
So lets look at the defense first. Lydman is sure to walk this off season. What is Darcy going to do?
Here is what I see left prior to FA day. Myers, Rivet, Montador, Butler and Sekera. Does Tallinder get resigned? I doubt it, but its iffy right now. If you look at realistically, no, he doesn't, that leaves room for Sekera and Weber.
Butler is a total loss to me, this kid just does not have what it takes, big body but he refuses to use it, also he lacks focus and it shows. Thats just my opinion though.
So basically we can say that we may see a move for a really good D man in the off season. Rivet traded? Maybe.

Now to the forwards, and this is even a bigger mess. First question, who are you going to build around? For all of the talk I have witnessed in the media, on multiple boards and else where, it is apparantly clear this team lacks a #1 Center.
Ok, so, who to target then?

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/freeagents.ph ... &type=none

Don't know how accurate that list is, but, take your pick. What's it going to cost the Sabres? If not a UFA, then a trade on draft day for a top line center? Perhaps, Darcy has yet to surprise us in 12 years with this, so I'll say no, but hey, ya never know, this could be a part of the now infamous "THE PLAN".
So, lets go back to Wingers, and lets assume they get their #1 center. Is Vanek the LW, nothing else on LW looks promising, so lets say he is, now who is the RWer? Hmmmm.........

And we can go on like this attempting to build a team, but the point is right there for everyone to see. Darcy is going to have to assemble many parts to put together a winner. Which brings me back to my opinion on his incompotence.
He knew, he knew he was going to have to rebuild this team, yet he made no significant moves the past 2 off seasons as well as the past 2 trade deadlines to bring in impact players with existing contracts. I have to tell ya, he didn't make much of an effort.

Other teams are blowing up their rosters to rebuild, Darcy is not a competent GM in my opinion, and should be fired for dereliction of duty. To me, as a fan anyways, I want a winner, he has had the time to produce, he has not been successful, 12 years is plenty enough to achieve this. I am sorry to everyone else, but my assesment of the BUFFALO SABRES GM will never change, this man is not the man that can do it.

As for Ruff, he is a good coach, Darcy has not given him the tools to complete the job.

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MakinItLookMean wrote:
i agree slesh...he should have shipped lydman, tallinder, and who ever else he could have...build for next year and beyond....this team is going now where this year....

it would be nice to get weber in the line up so he could get some seasoning for next year

Right, were not gonna win it this year, but Jim Bob was right. If we let those players go, you're basically saying, "see this leaky dike(no pun), wonder what will happen if I start wiggling bricks". We could slide out of the playoffs(losing revenue), and destroy the rest of the players morale. We would have only gotten a couple draft picks anyways. Remember, a franchise needs money as much as it needs draft picks.


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slesh
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daz28 wrote:
MakinItLookMean wrote:
i agree slesh...he should have shipped lydman, tallinder, and who ever else he could have...build for next year and beyond....this team is going now where this year....

it would be nice to get weber in the line up so he could get some seasoning for next year

Right, were not gonna win it this year, but Jim Bob was right. If we let those players go, you're basically saying, "see this leaky dike(no pun), wonder what will happen if I start wiggling bricks". We could slide out of the playoffs(losing revenue), and destroy the rest of the players morale. We would have only gotten a couple draft picks anyways. Remember, a franchise needs money as much as it needs draft picks.

I completely agree daz, he kept Tallinder/Lydman out of pure fear. He was worried about the bottom line. And rightfully so as well. My opinion my differ from Darcy's actions, but I can honestly understand why he did not move them.

Like I said, he didn't want to roll the dice, so to speak, that Sekera/Montador/Weber/Gragnani could finish the job of getting the team into the playoffs. Kind of a toss up for me, but a prudent decision for Darcy. I still don't agree with it. I think the quote I gave Darcy was this:

"Great Moments are made from Great Opportunity"!

I stand by that statement, but as a fan, I have that luxury, Darcy already spent his 3 seasons ago. Too bad really, ah, but thats why I call him incompetent. :?

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Holy mother of post, Slesh.

Let me get motivated and I'll come back.

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
Holy mother of post, Slesh.

Let me get motivated and I'll come back.

I think slesh's last post was dead on.


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I agree with most of your assessment, Slesh.

I will say that I agree with Darcy's decision to hang onto Lydman and Tallinder to get the core players we have some solid playoff experience, instead of dismantling the team and going for next year, because this experience is going to be important if we're going to be successful next season.

Darcy will try vigorously to resign one of our UFA defensemen. I don't know which one yet, but I hope it's Lydman. Tallinder has spent a lot of good years with us here, but I like Lydman's physical stay at home style. It's more effective in the playoffs.

As far as the offseason goes, we don't have opinions that are very far off. While we should entertain ideas to upgrade at center, I think our #1 priority should be at the wing. We need wingers who can put the puck in the net.

I posted a list of possible players in another thread, but I also think the BIGGEST VOID is leadership at forward. I said it last year, and I've been saying it this year.

Bring in a forward who can rally these troops, because none of them are natural leaders. If Darcy does that, this team WILL BE VERY GOOD.

Until then, forget it.

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