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EH, the problem is the bigger picture. They are clinging so tight to a self-imposed cap that they're willing to buyout a young player with potential and PR value over a measley f-ing 700k at the most (depending on how you look at the scenario), while having SIX MILLION IN CAP ROOM. In fact, they will be spending LESS than the last few seasons while the best contenders will spend MORE.

What possible hope does that show for the rest of this season?

BTW, this is my cue to take a hiatus as a hard core fan, and therefore my level of attention to this fan site. Sorry fellas...well actually a few of you guys won't mind at all...lol. I'll probably be back around Oct/Nov.


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Question to everyone. How much potential do you guys really think Kennedy has. He's already what 24, 25. In the next 3-5 years how much better will he get. To me he's just a top 9 versatile forward. They are a dime a dozen. Like did we all find his one goal from college to be evidence enough that he could score at the NHL level?

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So because we rid ourselves of a third liner and pick up a top 4 d-man(who has played top pairing with Green quite a bit) we are no longer committed. BULLSHIT.


PAY ATTENTION.

It's not about the players involved.

It's about the fact that they dumped Kennedy because his arbitration award put them over a self-imposed salary cap WELL below the league cap.

It's a sign that they're no longer willing to spend money to upgrade their players to try and contend. They're happy just to go into the year with a ton of space and hope they make the playoffs.


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Question to everyone. How much potential do you guys really think Kennedy has. He's already what 24, 25. In the next 3-5 years how much better will he get. To me he's just a top 9 versatile forward. They are a dime a dozen. Like did we all find his one goal from college to be evidence enough that he could score at the NHL level?


WE AREN'T THAT DISTRESSED BY KENNEDY. WE ARE ANGRY AT THE FACT THE SELF IMPOSED CAP IS 7 OR 6 MILL UNDER THE NHL CAP. THEY ARE WILLING TO GET RID OF THE YOUNG KENNEDY TO SAVE THE MONEY. :doh:

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I take it Bill Wirtz came back from the dead and bought the Sabres? I'm not that sad to see Kennedy go. We upgraded or defense, which we needed to do badly, IMO.

But still, to cut a hard-working local kid, over a couple hundred grand is pretty sad. Leaving over 6 million in available cap space, makes it seem that they're money is more important than winning, which never amounts to success.

On the other hand, I hope this gives Adam a decent shot of making the team...

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Well this move is fucked but really not a big deal. Before Kenneday was signed and everyone was making lines, none of them included Kenneday as he wasn't signed yet. And most people agreed that the lines without Kennedy could make the playoffs. Now we have added a solid defenceman to that roster. A defensive defenceman who has been playing in an up tempo system the last couple of years. I can really see Morrison playing well here.


The big deal is not about Kennedy the player.

The big deal is finding out we're back to nickle and diming on players and not being committed to a championship.

So because we rid ourselves of a third liner and pick up a top 4 d-man(who has played top pairing with Green quite a bit) we are no longer committed. BULLSHIT.

You're completely missing the point.

Not at all Phil. I realize you guys are worried about the penny-pinching and the "non-commitment" but come on. What did we NEED coming into the off-season. A PP QB, a veteran leader, and a stay at home defenceman(many thought this would be Weber). But we got Leopold, we got Nieds, and now we have Morrison. Those 3 combined make what Tallinder and Lydman made combined(maybe we spent a little more). Its unfortunate but if it is a self-imposed cap issue problem what player would you rather have. Morrison or Kennedy?

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BlueandYellow wrote:
sabresEH wrote:
Question to everyone. How much potential do you guys really think Kennedy has. He's already what 24, 25. In the next 3-5 years how much better will he get. To me he's just a top 9 versatile forward. They are a dime a dozen. Like did we all find his one goal from college to be evidence enough that he could score at the NHL level?


WE AREN'T THAT DISTRESSED BY KENNEDY. WE ARE ANGRY AT THE FACT THE SELF IMPOSED CAP IS 7 OR 6 MILL UNDER THE NHL CAP. THEY ARE WILLING TO GET RID OF THE YOUNG KENNEDY TO SAVE THE MONEY. :doh:

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Van_Da_Man wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
sabresEH wrote:
Question to everyone. How much potential do you guys really think Kennedy has. He's already what 24, 25. In the next 3-5 years how much better will he get. To me he's just a top 9 versatile forward. They are a dime a dozen. Like did we all find his one goal from college to be evidence enough that he could score at the NHL level?


WE AREN'T THAT DISTRESSED BY KENNEDY. WE ARE ANGRY AT THE FACT THE SELF IMPOSED CAP IS 7 OR 6 MILL UNDER THE NHL CAP. THEY ARE WILLING TO GET RID OF THE YOUNG KENNEDY TO SAVE THE MONEY. :doh:

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The roster as it is now is your team.

13 forwards, 7 defenseman, 2 goalies. Darcy said in the presser they were going to go with one less player on the roster. (Again, this is only to save money.)


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sabresEH wrote:
mechaphil wrote:
sabresEH wrote:
Squanto wrote:
sabresEH wrote:
Well this move is fucked but really not a big deal. Before Kenneday was signed and everyone was making lines, none of them included Kenneday as he wasn't signed yet. And most people agreed that the lines without Kennedy could make the playoffs. Now we have added a solid defenceman to that roster. A defensive defenceman who has been playing in an up tempo system the last couple of years. I can really see Morrison playing well here.


The big deal is not about Kennedy the player.

The big deal is finding out we're back to nickle and diming on players and not being committed to a championship.

So because we rid ourselves of a third liner and pick up a top 4 d-man(who has played top pairing with Green quite a bit) we are no longer committed. BULLSHIT.

You're completely missing the point.

Not at all Phil. I realize you guys are worried about the penny-pinching and the "non-commitment" but come on. What did we NEED coming into the off-season. A PP QB, a veteran leader, and a stay at home defenceman(many thought this would be Weber). But we got Leopold, we got Nieds, and now we have Morrison. Those 3 combined make what Tallinder and Lydman made combined(maybe we spent a little more). Its unfortunate but if it is a self-imposed cap issue problem what player would you rather have. Morrison or Kennedy?


We needed a forward, and I honestly don't think Leopold is a PPQB.

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Not saying Darcy didn't do a good job with the signings, but we need a bit more than this. We upgraded on forward from Kennedy to Nieds... We need SCORING!

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Not at all Phil. I realize you guys are worried about the penny-pinching and the "non-commitment" but come on. What did we NEED coming into the off-season. A PP QB, a veteran leader, and a stay at home defenceman(many thought this would be Weber). But we got Leopold, we got Nieds, and now we have Morrison. Those 3 combined make what Tallinder and Lydman made combined(maybe we spent a little more). Its unfortunate but if it is a self-imposed cap issue problem what player would you rather have. Morrison or Kennedy?


IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PLAYERS. THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN KENNEDY @ $1M OR MORRISONN AT $2.1m WHEN THEY HAVE $7M IN CAP ROOM.

What happens at the trade deadline now? Do they not make a move for an available player that could help them in the playoffs because they'll exceed their mystery cap?

THAT is the point.


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sabresEH wrote:
mechaphil wrote:
sabresEH wrote:
Squanto wrote:
sabresEH wrote:
Well this move is fucked but really not a big deal. Before Kenneday was signed and everyone was making lines, none of them included Kenneday as he wasn't signed yet. And most people agreed that the lines without Kennedy could make the playoffs. Now we have added a solid defenceman to that roster. A defensive defenceman who has been playing in an up tempo system the last couple of years. I can really see Morrison playing well here.


The big deal is not about Kennedy the player.

The big deal is finding out we're back to nickle and diming on players and not being committed to a championship.

So because we rid ourselves of a third liner and pick up a top 4 d-man(who has played top pairing with Green quite a bit) we are no longer committed. BULLSHIT.

You're completely missing the point.

Not at all Phil. I realize you guys are worried about the penny-pinching and the "non-commitment" but come on. What did we NEED coming into the off-season. A PP QB, a veteran leader, and a stay at home defenceman(many thought this would be Weber). But we got Leopold, we got Nieds, and now we have Morrison. Those 3 combined make what Tallinder and Lydman made combined(maybe we spent a little more). Its unfortunate but if it is a self-imposed cap issue problem what player would you rather have. Morrison or Kennedy?

IT ISN'T ABOUT THE PLAYERS
It's about the fact that the Sabres will incur a PR nightmare so they can buy-out a player making $1M so they can sign a guy for $2M even though they've got $7M in cap space AFTER spending to within $2M of the cap for the past three years. You know what the difference is if they kept Kennedy and still signed Morrisonn? The $667K they don't pay Kennedy cuz they bought him out. That's it, that's what this was over - that a player wouldn't accept a two-way $625K deal (a PAY CUT) and instead would make $375K more than they were originally willing to pay him. Even after they amped up their offer to $800K, they still couldn't make it happen. Kennedy brought his asking price down almost $400K, but the Sabres wouldn't match and sign him cuz it was $210K more than they originally offered and $35K more than their modified bid.
What Squanto said.

The Sabres are playing the same hardball that chased Grier, McKee, Dumont, Briere, and Drury away.

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Squanto wrote:
sabresEH wrote:
So because we rid ourselves of a third liner and pick up a top 4 d-man(who has played top pairing with Green quite a bit) we are no longer committed. BULLSHIT.


PAY ATTENTION.

It's not about the players involved.

It's about the fact that they dumped Kennedy because his arbitration award put them over a self-imposed salary cap WELL below the league cap.

It's a sign that they're no longer willing to spend money to upgrade their players to try and contend. They're happy just to go into the year with a ton of space and hope they make the playoffs.

But they did. Look at our roster. Anyone think last year's roster is better? Like I understand that its a fucked up move to save money and that it looks like we are non committed but really. Does anyone wanna say that last year's roster is better than this years. I truly think we are better heading into this year. We also now have room to call up players from Portland like it has been mentioned. We also have x-amount of cap space to make any moves at the deadline.

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Ok just so I'm clear, we're "not" signing Kovalchuk??

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Squanto wrote:
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Not at all Phil. I realize you guys are worried about the penny-pinching and the "non-commitment" but come on. What did we NEED coming into the off-season. A PP QB, a veteran leader, and a stay at home defenceman(many thought this would be Weber). But we got Leopold, we got Nieds, and now we have Morrison. Those 3 combined make what Tallinder and Lydman made combined(maybe we spent a little more). Its unfortunate but if it is a self-imposed cap issue problem what player would you rather have. Morrison or Kennedy?


IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PLAYERS. THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN KENNEDY @ $1M OR MORRISONN AT $2.1m WHEN THEY HAVE $7M IN CAP ROOM.

What happens at the trade deadline now? Do they not make a move for an available player that could help them in the playoffs because they'll exceed their mystery cap?

THAT is the point.

I agree they shouldn't have had to choose but the fact is we HAD to. And when it comes down to it the right choice was made.

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sabresEH wrote:
Squanto wrote:
sabresEH wrote:
So because we rid ourselves of a third liner and pick up a top 4 d-man(who has played top pairing with Green quite a bit) we are no longer committed. BULLSHIT.


PAY ATTENTION.

It's not about the players involved.

It's about the fact that they dumped Kennedy because his arbitration award put them over a self-imposed salary cap WELL below the league cap.

It's a sign that they're no longer willing to spend money to upgrade their players to try and contend. They're happy just to go into the year with a ton of space and hope they make the playoffs.

But they did. Look at our roster. Anyone think last year's roster is better? Like I understand that its a fucked up move to save money and that it looks like we are non committed but really. Does anyone wanna say that last year's roster is better than this years. I truly think we are better heading into this year. We also now have room to call up players from Portland like it has been mentioned. We also have x-amount of cap space to make any moves at the deadline.



Tallinder and Lydman gone, Morrisonn and Leopold signed. Not much of a difference.

We basically signed Nieds and got rid of Kennedy. :doh:

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sabresEH wrote:
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Not at all Phil. I realize you guys are worried about the penny-pinching and the "non-commitment" but come on. What did we NEED coming into the off-season. A PP QB, a veteran leader, and a stay at home defenceman(many thought this would be Weber). But we got Leopold, we got Nieds, and now we have Morrison. Those 3 combined make what Tallinder and Lydman made combined(maybe we spent a little more). Its unfortunate but if it is a self-imposed cap issue problem what player would you rather have. Morrison or Kennedy?


IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PLAYERS. THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN KENNEDY @ $1M OR MORRISONN AT $2.1m WHEN THEY HAVE $7M IN CAP ROOM.

What happens at the trade deadline now? Do they not make a move for an available player that could help them in the playoffs because they'll exceed their mystery cap?

THAT is the point.

I agree they shouldn't have had to choose the but the fact is we HAD to. And when it comes down to it the right choice was made.


And, we didn't HAVE TO. We have a self imposed cap. The fact that we HAD TO is BULL SHNIZ.

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I agree they shouldn't have had to choose the but the fact is we HAD to. And when it comes down to it the right choice was made.


No, they didn't HAVE to.

Had they kept Kennedy and signed Morrisonn , they would still have $5.4M in cap space going into the season. There was no reason to cut Kennedy except to get under their self imposed cap.


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