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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:07 am 
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Okay this is my take on both moves today. Gaustad deal was a great move by getting a first rounder. It will be a high pick because I think Nashville is going all in this year.
Now onto the Kassian deal Im still not a big fan of trading much needed toughness and his skill for a center that hasn't produced until this year. Hodgsen had injury issues in the past that slowed his progress but I think Vancouver made this move because u have a kid from the USA coming soon in schroeder who I believe had the most points by any player in world juniors career for the US. To me you are in a division with Boston who is tough all around and you gave up on a young power forward which this team desperately needs to play a team like Boston. Instead they got smaller and softer. Don't get me wrong I like Cody and I think he will put up more points than Kassian but I think Kassians toughness, game on the boards and being able to shield the puck to make a play will be missed. Power forwards just don't develop over night. I just pray Cody pans out because right now not really liking this trade. Plus Grags for Sulzer is a no brainer that Grags will get a shot to see what he can do with another team.



HE'S A MOTHERFUCKING ROOKIE.

Also, with Kassian, it was his lack of willingness to get physical with people that bugged me. It wasn't even just at the NHL level, but Matthew Coller said he doesn't seem to even do it in Rochester. Rob Ray said it best today: either you come in to the league with consistent physical play, or you don't have it at all. That Kassian didn't give it on a consistent enough basis bugged me, and clearly, it bugged the organization as well.

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People bitch when Darcy makes trades and bitches when he doesn't.

Darcy get's a 22 year old Center with loads of potential who can help use in the future more than what he gave up. Yet people still complain about it. He also fleeced a 1st round draft pick for Goose.

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SabresBillsFan wrote:
Okay this is my take on both moves today. Gaustad deal was a great move by getting a first rounder. It will be a high pick because I think Nashville is going all in this year.
Now onto the Kassian deal Im still not a big fan of trading much needed toughness and his skill for a center that hasn't produced until this year. Hodgsen had injury issues in the past that slowed his progress but I think Vancouver made this move because u have a kid from the USA coming soon in schroeder who I believe had the most points by any player in world juniors career for the US. To me you are in a division with Boston who is tough all around and you gave up on a young power forward which this team desperately needs to play a team like Boston. Instead they got smaller and softer. Don't get me wrong I like Cody and I think he will put up more points than Kassian but I think Kassians toughness, game on the boards and being able to shield the puck to make a play will be missed. Power forwards just don't develop over night. I just pray Cody pans out because right now not really liking this trade. Plus Grags for Sulzer is a no brainer that Grags will get a shot to see what he can do with another team.

Hasn't produced until this year? You DO realize this is his first full year, right?

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You guys talk about this kid like he's the next Crosby or Malkin. No one knows how good this kid can be, on the Sabres, until he starts playing here. Matter of fact we very well might not see much return on him until mid next season. None of you want to take up the discussion about Boston. They will be a menace for years to come that will give this teams serious problems. A high speed, potentially high scoring team isn't much of a match for them. That was painfully obvious this season.

So, what ideas do you all have to get tough this summer since we really don't have much of that in Rochester. Also, do you really thing they will try and get tougher at all????

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People bitch when Darcy makes trades and bitches when he doesn't.

Darcy get's a 22 year old Center with loads of potential who can help use in the future more than what he gave up. Yet people still complain about it. He also fleeced a 1st round draft pick for Goose.

People are bitching because a few short months ago every Sabres fan (including all of you who are touting this a possibly the deal of the century) and media were screaming when this team showed how they were such a bunch of pussies. Now you get rid of two of your more tougher players for a player who is not much bigger than Derek Roy.

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I don't think Kassian and Gragnani really affected the attitude of this team. They're not the reasons this team has played with more grit.

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So, what ideas do you all have to get tough this summer since we really don't have much of that in Rochester. Also, do you really thing they will try and get tougher at all????


Tropp, McNabb, Finley, and Foligno would like to have a word with you.


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Squanto wrote:
sabresindc wrote:
So, what ideas do you all have to get tough this summer since we really don't have much of that in Rochester. Also, do you really thing they will try and get tougher at all????


Tropp, McNabb, Finley, and Foligno would like to have a word with you.


In the few games I've seen Tropp he didn't seem especially tough or physical.
I doubt Finlay can make it in the NHL, he is too much of a liability.

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Squanto wrote:
sabresindc wrote:
So, what ideas do you all have to get tough this summer since we really don't have much of that in Rochester. Also, do you really thing they will try and get tougher at all????


Tropp, McNabb, Finley, and Foligno would like to have a word with you.


In the few games I've seen Tropp he didn't seem especially tough or physical.
I doubt Finlay can make it in the NHL, he is too much of a liability.

and the "stay at home defenseman" McNabb is great but doesn't really fit in Lindy's high offense system where he expects his D to take part in scoring.

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I don't think Kassian and Gragnani really affected the attitude of this team. They're not the reasons this team has played with more grit.


I agree, in regards to Grags...Definitely. Kassian may not have been menacing right now but he has potential. Plus he's able to hold onto a puck, while fighting off several defenders. Name a person on the current roster who can muscle through several defenders while maintain possession. then hold on to that possession so he can either take a shot or pass it. I do believe the Sabres have had a fairly high puck turnover rate...especially while trying to gain the zone.

I just think people are not looking at the big picture, may be I'm not but we just ALL complained that this team is small and weak. Now they get another smaller, not so intimidating center who can score but will get man handled like, Roy, Gerbe, Ennis. I swear Lindy and Darcy want to be know to have the absolutely smallest team in the league. Might as well trade for Gionta too

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Name a person on the current roster who can muscle through several defenders while maintain possession. then hold on to that possession so he can either take a shot or pass it.

You'll probably laugh, but the only person besides Kassian and occasionally Goose that I've see do that is Stafford.

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NYIntensity wrote:
sabresindc wrote:
Name a person on the current roster who can muscle through several defenders while maintain possession. then hold on to that possession so he can either take a shot or pass it.

You'll probably laugh, but the only person besides Kassian and occasionally Goose that I've see do that is Stafford.

true, he's can handle his own being 6'2 and 214 helps. He can gain the zone but can't hit the broad side of a barn lately

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wollt ihr die sabres oben sehen müsst ihr die tabelle drehn.

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Squanto
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Nobody was talking about scoring.

The question was 'Where is this team going to get toughness?' I listed 4 guys in Rochester that have plenty of it. If you guys want to ignore that, then ok.

Listen, Kassian has the potential to be a good player. Hodgson is a good player NOW. On a team with a massive void at center, and a plethora of wingers, this is an excellent move for this team.


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Squanto wrote:
Nobody was talking about scoring.

The question was 'Where is this team going to get toughness?' I listed 4 guys in Rochester that have plenty of it. If you guys want to ignore that, then ok.

Listen, Kassian has the potential to be a good player. Hodgson is a good player NOW. On a team with a massive void at center, and a plethora of wingers, this is an excellent move for this team.

Not denying it was the best move to make, since we need another good center, and we didn't ignore you're list of guys either. We just gave reasons why we disagree with it. Cory needs more time to develop but I could see him breaking through perminently in a season or so. Finely will never hit the big league IMO and McNabb is tough, really tough, and don't know why he wasn't kept up here permanently. I love his clean, open ice hits. Foligno is the only tough, offensive minded defenseman on that list that could potentially make the team next season.

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Even if Hodgson and Kassian both turn out the same, we still need a center more than a winger. But Hodgson is actually proving his potential now while Kassian is still a big question mark. Maybe a bunch of people have been complaining about size and toughness...that's a legit concern. We need actual skill and better play down the middle more than anything though. If we really needed a 3rd RW then losing Kassian would hurt, but we have a top RW and a potentially huge hole at 2nd RW that Kassian was NOT going to fill next season, if he even reaches that potential at all.

We can get big and tough not only from Rochester, but from anywhere around the league. Size and toughness come cheap, so it's not a big deal to replace what Kassian has shown so far.


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sabresindc wrote:
Not denying it was the best move to make, since we need another good center, and we didn't ignore you're list of guys either. We just gave reasons why we disagree with it. Cory needs more time to develop but I could see him breaking through perminently in a season or so. Finely will never hit the big league IMO and McNabb is tough, really tough, and don't know why he wasn't kept up here permanently. I love his clean, open ice hits. Foligno is the only tough, offensive minded defenseman on that list that could potentially make the team next season.


He's 5th in rookie scoring, playing 5 minutes less a game than anyone in front of him. He has a stellar pedigree with Team Canada in the WJCs. He's played full time in the NHL all year, scoring more points than a good bunch of veteran guys. He's broken through already.

And Foligno is a winger, not a defenseman......


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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
Even if Hodgson and Kassian both turn out the same, we still need a center more than a winger. But Hodgson is actually proving his potential now while Kassian is still a big question mark. Maybe a bunch of people have been complaining about size and toughness...that's a legit concern. We need actual skill and better play down the middle more than anything though. If we really needed a 3rd RW then losing Kassian would hurt, but we have a top RW and a potentially huge hole at 2nd RW that Kassian was NOT going to fill next season, if he even reaches that potential at all.

We can get big and tough not only from Rochester, but from anywhere around the league. Size and toughness come cheap, so it's not a big deal to replace what Kassian has shown so far.

I agree with both you and Squanto. We NEED Hodgson more that we need a winger, AGREED!!!!! Do you seriously think that Darcy plans include finding tougher players? Personally, I don't because that IS NOT Lindy's style. We all know that his plans is to have a small, fast high scoring team. Unfortunately it really hasn't worked out in years.

I also think that Darcy pulled of one hell of a deal with both the nucks and the preds.

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Not denying it was the best move to make, since we need another good center, and we didn't ignore you're list of guys either. We just gave reasons why we disagree with it. Cory needs more time to develop but I could see him breaking through perminently in a season or so. Finely will never hit the big league IMO and McNabb is tough, really tough, and don't know why he wasn't kept up here permanently. I love his clean, open ice hits. Foligno is the only tough, offensive minded defenseman on that list that could potentially make the team next season.


He's 5th in rookie scoring, playing 5 minutes less a game than anyone in front of him. He has a stellar pedigree with Team Canada in the WJCs. He's played full time in the NHL all year, scoring more points than a good bunch of veteran guys. He's broken through already.

And Foligno is a winger, not a defenseman......


Yeah, I realized what I said after I posted it.

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It would be so great if this would turn out like the Briere-Gratton trade.

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I'm looking forward to see what line he plays on and how he does.

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You guys talk about this kid like he's the next Crosby or Malkin. No one knows how good this kid can be, on the Sabres, until he starts playing here. Matter of fact we very well might not see much return on him until mid next season. None of you want to take up the discussion about Boston. They will be a menace for years to come that will give this teams serious problems. A high speed, potentially high scoring team isn't much of a match for them. That was painfully obvious this season.

So, what ideas do you all have to get tough this summer since we really don't have much of that in Rochester. Also, do you really thing they will try and get tougher at all????


Building your team to compete against 1 team specifically is just plain dumb.

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