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daz28
PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:41 pm 
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So you're saying they aren't the coldest team in the conference, or are you just trying to be a comedian??

If this team hadn't let us down the last 2 years, I'd have no reason to be skeptical, but unfortunately they have. Maybe you're happy with the Bills performance and coaching too, or would I be overly skeptical to question them as well?


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daz28 wrote:
So you're saying they aren't the coldest team in the conference, or are you just trying to be a comedian??

If this team hadn't let us down the last 2 years, I'd have no reason to be skeptical, but unfortunately they have. Maybe you're happy with the Bills performance and coaching too, or would I be overly skeptical to question them as well?


The coldest team in the Conference? If you count their last game and stop there, perhaps... We're one point away from being third in the Conference, with two games in hand on the Bruins. Watch the Hurricanes, Maple Leafs, or Flyers... The Sabres are certainly not playing the worst hockey in the East, and as far as I know, they've yet to lose to a Western Conference team (unless I forgot a loss somewhere, which is entirely possible), which is not something Eastern Conference teams have been able to say for the past few seasons.

Also, I don't follow the Bills at all. I have no idea what team they lose to each week until a friend who is a Bengals fan lets me know. But I still know that they fired Jauron a while ago.

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I love how basic that statement is... Every team that plays a sport needs scoring.. EVERY TEAM. We need individuals that get paid to score lots of goals.. TO SCORE GOALS. That develops CONSISTENCY. Yes we need goals but we need people to step it up. Connolly, Roy, Pommers and Vanek should all have like 12-15 goals by now..they dont.. start scoring douchers

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slesh wrote:
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I for one need to say one thing, it involves two numbers.

2-4, the number we are WITHOUT Grier.

Yep, it does boil down to leadership. Grier gets them motivated, how I don't know, but he does.
The players have the ability to put the puck in the net, but, without a veteran leader out there they look like a monkey fuckin a football.

Well, they are in the playoff hunt and a couple of losses here and there right now aren't hurting them seriously, however, these losses will come back to bite them in the ass if it gets tight down the last quarter of the season. I am praying :pray: Darcy makes a trade in an effort to better the top 2 lines.

It doesn't get tight if you're at the top of the conference.

So far with 27 games played, we are at 16-9-2 for 34 points, if projected out a full 82 games it will look like this 49-27-6 for 104 points. we are in fifth right now, one point behind Boston, but Boston has played 2 more games than the Sabres so far. There are no teams ahead of Buffalo who has played less games than them in the standings right now.

It does get tight if its the last Quarter of the season and teams are battling for a playoff spot.
Every season the last quarter tightens up, hell, Buffalo missed the playoffs by 2 points 2 seasons in a row. 1 of those seasons they started off great as well.
I have said I like the current record the team holds, but the post I put in was to point out that these current losses where they have offensive breakdowns "could" come back to bite them in the ass. And Buffalo is by no means at the top of the conference, they are battling for top of their division, with no assurance they will even maintain one of the top 2 spots in their own division.

Like I said, I would like them to win a couple more of these games to garner that wiggle room and get that seperation from the pack.

They are one point from Boston who has played two more games then them. Ottawa is 3 points out, with the same number of games played as Buffalo. The other teams who are higher than Buffalo in the standings all have played at least 2 or 3 more games than them, with the exception of Jersey.

They are at the top of the conference Slesh, take a look at the standings and you'll see if the Sabres had played 29 or 30 games, and won two or those three, they would have more points than the PENGUINS.

I also want to add in two years ago we never started out hot, they stumbled out the gate right away and never picked it up until December. Last year we started out hot, but it didn't continue in November or December, last year they faltered in November, and we haven't seen our team really falter in a month yet. We have come out strong after losses and put up winning streaks. The team can respond to losses much better than last year's and the previous years teams.

But the Sabres did not come out strong two years ago, I don't know what you guys are thinking with that one. They lost their first two, and I think ended October under.500.

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daz28
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The coldest team in the Conference?

Going by trend. Philly has lost their last 5, and the Sabres and Panthers both have lost their last 2, except the Sabres scored one goal in their last 2 games. So yes, they are the coldest team in the east right now(besides Philly). My point is that if the slide continues, they will slide right out of the top 8 in a hurry. There is no excuse for the last 2 games performance, and I doubt a few miles on the bikes is gonna make them superstars. It seems like Ruff is deflecting everything onto the players with his "punishments". Surely EVERY guy on the team doesn't suck.


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daz28 wrote:
acrossthelines wrote:

The coldest team in the Conference?

Going by trend. Philly has lost their last 5, and the Sabres and Panthers both have lost their last 2, except the Sabres scored one goal in their last 2 games. So yes, they are the coldest team in the east right now(besides Philly). My point is that if the slide continues, they will slide right out of the top 8 in a hurry. There is no excuse for the last 2 games performance, and I doubt a few miles on the bikes is gonna make them superstars. It seems like Ruff is deflecting everything onto the players with his "punishments". Surely EVERY guy on the team doesn't suck.

4-5-1 in the last ten isn't the coldest team in the East.

Philly is 2-8, Tampa is 3-6-1, Florida is 2-4-4, The Rangers are 4-6.

This team won the past 4 games out of 6, yes they lost two in a row, but even after they lost three in a row, they came back and won four games.

This team is not the same team of the past two years, regardless of what some people think after two losses. The sky is not falling, if they come out completely flat against Washington something might be up, but even if they lose but put forth an incredible effort and end up losing because of Lalime in net or Varlamov completely standing on his head then it will be fine. They need t come out strong and play a full 60 minutes Wednesday, because it gets sickening seeing all this sky is falling shit after one or two losses.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
losing because of Lalime in net

because it gets sickening seeing all this sky is falling shit after one or two losses.

I see you have your excuse all picked out already. Lets see, who signed Lalime to his 2 year deal??


IF they lose to the Caps, then the sky IS pretty much falling.

Don't get me wrong, I want to "Billieve" this time is different, but this shit is putrid lately. If you can't beat the good teams(or even the easier ones at home), then you're NOT a good team. I'd even dare to say 4-5-1(or 20th in goals/game) is the sky falling too.


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daz28 wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
losing because of Lalime in net

because it gets sickening seeing all this sky is falling shit after one or two losses.

I see you have your excuse all picked out already. Lets see, who signed Lalime to his 2 year deal??


IF they lose to the Caps, then the sky IS pretty much falling.

Don't get me wrong, I want to "Billieve" this time is different, but this shit is putrid lately. If you can't beat the good teams(or even the easier ones at home), then you're NOT a good team. I'd even dare to say 4-5-1(or 20th in goals/game) is the sky falling too.
So when we beat the Devils the first time it wasn't because we were good? When we beat Calgary, we just got lucky right? When we dominated Detroit also? Oh and Philly when they were doing great earlier also?

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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daz28
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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
So when we beat the Devils the first time it wasn't because we were good? When we beat Calgary, we just got lucky right? When we dominated Detroit also? Oh and Philly when they were doing great earlier also?

Does that also mean that if we beat Pittsburgh we're even better than the world champs??

Not sure what point you're trying to make with this.


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daz28 wrote:
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So when we beat the Devils the first time it wasn't because we were good? When we beat Calgary, we just got lucky right? When we dominated Detroit also? Oh and Philly when they were doing great earlier also?

Does that also mean that if we beat Pittsburgh we're even better than the world champs??

Not sure what point you're trying to make with this.

The good teams wouldn't have beat those so called good teams then, if you can't see the point the it's worthless to try and argue with someone.

I say this team is alot better than the past two years and the sky is not falling, but I'm a Buffalo fan, the haydays of our teams are over and we can't expect great things because we've been losers for too long.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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daz28 wrote:
Does that also mean that if we beat Pittsburgh we're even better than the world champs??

Not sure what point you're trying to make with this.


Beating Pittsburgh does not make the Sabres the best team in the east any more than losing to New Jersey made them the worst.

You people need to learn to fucking relax a little. Is there reason to be concerned after losing to the Rangers and not showing up against New Jersey? Yes, there is. But for Christ's sake it's 2 games out of 82.


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Squanto wrote:
daz28 wrote:
Does that also mean that if we beat Pittsburgh we're even better than the world champs??

Not sure what point you're trying to make with this.


Beating Pittsburgh does not make the Sabres the best team in the east any more than losing to New Jersey made them the worst.

You people need to learn to fucking relax a little. Is there reason to be concerned after losing to the Rangers and not showing up against New Jersey? Yes, there is. But for Christ's sake it's 2 games out of 82.

Completely agree Squanto, my posts were merely to show my dissappointment in the offensive showing to even give the team a chance to take some points out of those loses. But all in all, as I like you have stated, I am satisfied with the record to date.

I'm fuckin greedy though, muhahahahahaha, I want atleast some of those points, even in an OT or SO lose to widen the gap between the other competition :D

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Is there reason to be concerned after losing to the Rangers and not showing up against New Jersey? Yes, there is. But for Christ's sake it's 2 games out of 82.

I was looking at a bit bigger picture. Winning 4 of the last 10 is unacceptable. Even the coach thinks so, which is ironic, because he's(and the management) the one to blame.


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No argument with that.

I just get annoyed with the ZOMGTHESKYISFALLING posts after a loss, and the planning of the Cup parades after a win. :)


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daz28 wrote:
I was looking at a bit bigger picture. Winning 4 of the last 10 is unacceptable. Even the coach thinks so, which is ironic, because he's(and the management) the one to blame.


Lindy must have told the entire team to take the night off against the Devils. That makes a ton of sense.

The bigger picture? They're 16-9-2, 1 point away from the division lead, and still 5th in the conference.

If you'd have asked most fans before the season started if they'd have taken that kind of start, I think it would have been a resounding yes.


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No argument with that.

I just get annoyed with the ZOMGTHESKYISFALLING posts after a loss, and the planning of the Cup parades after a win. :)

Not yet for me Squanto, like most fans, if there is a mathmatical formula with them in it with 10 games left I'm glued to the team to see what happens, of course, I even watch the games when I know they are out of it.

I would love to see more consistency from the top 2 lines is all. I never ask for every night, but 2 out of 3 games I would expect 1 or both of these lines to show up. It bothers me not because I hate the talent, but it seems to me anyways that there is no chemistry between the top 6 to motivate one another.

Its like a twilight zone episode with this "gang of 6" (hey, maybe a new label for em?) :shock: :D

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I still think whenever we are healthy we should do the whole grinder on every line thing like when Vanek was playing with Kaleta and Kennedy and it made everyone work harder.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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daz28 wrote:
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The coldest team in the Conference?

Going by trend. Philly has lost their last 5, and the Sabres and Panthers both have lost their last 2, except the Sabres scored one goal in their last 2 games. So yes, they are the coldest team in the east right now(besides Philly). My point is that if the slide continues, they will slide right out of the top 8 in a hurry. There is no excuse for the last 2 games performance, and I doubt a few miles on the bikes is gonna make them superstars. It seems like Ruff is deflecting everything onto the players with his "punishments". Surely EVERY guy on the team doesn't suck.


OK, gotcha now.

That's what I thought you meant... And though that's not the coldest team in the Conference, it is close enough to merit concern. I don't think it will continue, though. Ups and downs are part of seasons. Honestly... The team could continue to play worse than what they are capable of, but I can't see it lasting for that long purely because of Ryan Miller. I know that's not saying much about the team, but...

I don't know. I'm not worried yet. Skids like this happen to every team. I wouldn't be surprised if they started a six-game winning streak the next game or something. I understand your concern, though.

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This team needs scoring. We have been foiled by the anemic offensive play of our Top Six and Hecht. Pathetic.

Great defense, goaltending and strong 3rd/4th lines may get you into the playoffs, but not to elite levels. I look at the failure of our skill players to produce any scoring as the cancer that is infecting our team.


EXACTLY !

also...welcome to the boards 1crozier1 ;)

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So is this team the coldest in the East now?

You realize we were the first team to shutout the Capitals in 11 months, oh and they arre the leagues highest scoring team and we kept them to 0 goals.

Our team is a defensive team with flashes of offense. Like it or not, this is what Ruff wanted from everyone of his teams throughout his coaching career.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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