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BlueandYellow
 Post subject: Re: McKeon=Moron
PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 6:57 pm 
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We all know how overrated Kippursoff was because of Calgary.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
We all know how overrated Kippursoff was because of Calgary.


we do?

kipper is a HELL of a goalie, top 3 in the west. top 5 in the NHL.

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We really shouldn't be stressing over every half-assed writer/blogger/poster that puts up a hockey playoff article. As Rud said, that was a yahoo guy, and they have one person that knows hockey...not Mckeon.


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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
We really shouldn't be stressing over every half-assed writer/blogger/poster that puts up a hockey playoff article. As Rud said, that was a yahoo guy, and they have one person that knows hockey...not Mckeon.

Gotta fill the pages...I didn't even read the article because I know I would just get super annoyed

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 Post subject: Re: McKeon=Moron
PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:24 pm 
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McKeon is just a windbag lazy tool.

We played Enroth one game and lost 4-2 and wasn't LaLime in net for 2 against Boston?

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well, i agree. but i mean, if i was raving about 15 games, thats one thing. but he played the majority of the season.


Uh... barely.

Thomas STARTED more games than Rask. Their minutes are almost identical.

Rask :
Started 39, Played 45 TOI 2,562:11

Thomas :
Started 43, Played 43 TOI 2,441:52

Miller :
Started 68, Played 69 TOI 4,047:10

Rask BARELY edged out Thomas enough to say 'majority', and frankly that's a weak one.

How about shots:

Miller 2098 shots against.
Rask 1211 shots against.

The ONLY statistic that Rask beats Miller appreciably is GAA, 1.97 vs 2.22. Save %'s are almost identical, .929 (Miller), .931 (Rask).

Miller put up his numbers playing EVERY GAME in the Olympics. Rask couldn't even beat out Tim Thomas for the starting job until the last quarter of the season.

Rask is good, and will be good. But, until he puts up these numbers while carrying the load night in and night out for a team, I won't be impressed.


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ironyisadeadscene
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Squanto wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
well, i agree. but i mean, if i was raving about 15 games, thats one thing. but he played the majority of the season.


Uh... barely.

Thomas STARTED more games than Rask. Their minutes are almost identical.

Rask :
Started 39, Played 45 TOI 2,562:11

Thomas :
Started 43, Played 43 TOI 2,441:52

Miller :
Started 68, Played 69 TOI 4,047:10

Rask BARELY edged out Thomas enough to say 'majority', and frankly that's a weak one.

How about shots:

Miller 2098 shots against.
Rask 1211 shots against.

The ONLY statistic that Rask beats Miller appreciably is GAA, 1.97 vs 2.22. Save %'s are almost identical, .929 (Miller), .931 (Rask).

Miller put up his numbers playing EVERY GAME in the Olympics. Rask couldn't even beat out Tim Thomas for the starting job until the last quarter of the season.

Rask is good, and will be good. But, until he puts up these numbers while carrying the load night in and night out for a team, I won't be impressed.


45 games is the majority. to dismiss rask (which you are not, but many are) is silly. the goaltending in this series, at least going in, is a push.

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I don't have the time to look it up now, but I don't think Rask has started 7 consecutive games all season.

He may have to if they have a chance to win the series.

EDIT : And he only got to 45 because of games Thomas got pulled. He started fewer games than Thomas.


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ironyisadeadscene
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:32 pm 
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cam ward was the same way though. an unknown. ya know?

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
cam ward was the same way though. an unknown. ya know?

You are so scared of Rask that its sickening. Seriously, yeah he put some good numbers... That was the regular season.. Shit just got real... this what you play for... he has never been here.. Ryan miller had the whole fucking country on his back and got us a silver... And he calls that a failure, Miller has been dealing with pressure ALL SEASON and thrived, you honestly think Rask is going best Miller when you know Miller is eying that cup already.Miller is the best goaltender in the world he is the MVP he will lead us to the promise land. Quit worrying.

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every goaltender has to start sometime. patrick roy did it as a 20 year old, cam ward did it, rookie goaltenders steal playoff series. i have every right to be concerned. miller may be the best in the league, but A. rask isnt far behind, and B. miller did slip the second half, albeit not too significantly..

and im pretty sure this is the exact same thing flyer fans were thinking in 2006. "oh, millers a rookie! this is the big time now!" i certainly hope the sabres are not thinking like many of you.

this is going to be a long long long, hard series. if buffalo makes it through, then my confidence will skyrocket. im maybe only more concerned about washington in the east.

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I look at it this way. Both Goalies can steal a series with just about any team that's put in front of them.

Miller's done that, Rask has yet to.

With the Bruins problems keeping defensemen healthy, that should give us a pretty big edge. So shoot fast, before he has time to set up and for Crime-n-nedley Pominville if you're gonna miss the net, don't miss way wide as that's gonna create a bad situation going the other way. If Roy can play with his head and dump the dump the puck in when 3 players converge on him ... it's gonna leave someone open in front of the net.

Man, if Connolly can play...a rested Tim Connolly can slice up that Bruins back end like Freddy Kruger on an Elm Street kid. That's his and Hecht's job...break up the trap as the Bruins are gonna play a ton of it.

Keep up the pressure an Julien will have to run Chara out of gas before the series is over....That leaves him with nothing on the backend.

with Vanek back we should be able to capitalize on rebounds.

...and for Pete's sake, don't let Satan just walk in front of the goal? He goal the last game was awful...hit princess.

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How about using your eyes, people?

Stats aside, Rask is playing great hockey right now.

BUT, if we blow him up in game one, he's not the most level headed goaltender in the league...


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:39 pm 
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Lol Rask. Please do that...

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
How about using your eyes, people?

Stats aside, Rask is playing great hockey right now.

BUT, if we blow him up in game one, he's not the most level headed goaltender in the league...



youd be pissed too.. sir patrick acted the same way a few times. and hes the best of all time.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
PuckSniperPensel wrote:
How about using your eyes, people?

Stats aside, Rask is playing great hockey right now.

BUT, if we blow him up in game one, he's not the most level headed goaltender in the league...



youd be pissed too.. sir patrick acted the same way a few times. and hes the best of all time.

All good goaltenders can go atomic. Rask got jobbed HARD that shootout. Hell, we've seen Miller go ape-shit, too.

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Ha, I forgot that was Rask in that video. He had every right to be pissed though. The ref totally blew that call.

Anyway, Rask being a rookie is not a big deal. He has a team that is playing the trap and keeping all the shots and chances to the outside and low quality. That is what Buffalo has to overcome primarily. Once they get any good chances on Rask, they have to have done their homework and watched a lot of video to figure him out. This is how rookies have an advantage, because the forwards haven't seen enough of him yet to know how to beat him.

It's the same basic thing with rookie pitchers and hitters. If they come up and have skills, they have great rookie seasons until the rest of the league gets a read on him. Rask has the skill, an aggravating team defense in front of him, and forwards that haven't seen enough of his weaknesses yet (whatever they are). This isn't about Miller vs Rask, it's about what Buffalo is going to do and how they are going to break through Boston's defense to get good chances and score. So far they've struggled to beat Boston's defense, and Rask has been sharp enough to stop the low-mid range chances.


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