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Sabresfansince1980
PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 10:51 pm 
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1.7 mil is my price to keep either of them.

Rivet's cap hit is 3.5 mil, and then it jumps down to Montador at 1.55 mil. I would slot both Tallinder and Lydman at about 1.7 mil. If either one wants more than 2 mil per I'd let them walk.

Depending how bad the UFA market gets, it might be necessary to keep one or both. Leopold really isn't the player Buffalo needs. He had only two PP pts all season...two. I'm hoping Seidenberg's (9 pp pts) market value stays steady at his current 2.25 mil contract. Kurt Foster (26 pp pts) would be a great signing if his value doesn't go to high from his dirt cheap 600k contract. I'd would hope to sign him long-term for around 2 mil per since his right-handed shot would be needed after both Rivet and Montador's contracts run out next summer.


Lydman & Tallinder will both get MUCH better offers than $1.7M per on the open market.

Jeff Finger got over twice that on the open market a couple of years ago with the Leafs. I would be surprised if Lydman & Tallinder get less than $3M per on the open market. And I won't be surprised if they are making $4M per or more.

All it takes is one desperate/stupid GM that needs a legit NHL defenseman....

Or in this case, one or two stupid GMs


Yeah but Jim Bob, that was during the height of the stupid contract phase. The cap has steadied out, and GMs are under tight budgets now. There is no way they get a 4 mil offer. I won't deny the possibility of them getting a 3 mil offer for one or two years, but that is a stretch IMO. They want to stay in Buffalo, and that is going to HAVE TO include a home town discount. That is why I would offer 1.7. To re-sign them at their current cap hits means not improving, because they are getting older after all, and still won't be useful on the PP. Keeping them at the same price also means not having cap room to improve elsewhere.

They could definitely get a better deal from another team (around 2.5-3 mil per), but that price is not in the Sabres best interest. For them to stay (which they want) and for Buffalo to put a better team together next season, they'll have to take under 2 mil.


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1980 is true, most of those ridiculous contracts were in the give any player regardless of talaent 5 million dollars.

Would you honestly sign Drury to 7 million dollars now? funny thing is, Marian Gaborik makes that much money, and he is comparable to a top ten player in the league.

Even Hossa didn't get 7 million, he has a cap hit of 5.2 million.

Kane and Toews are for 6.5 million each.

Campbell for 7 million is a joke of a contract now also.

Eric Staal making 8.2 million is a joke also, he shouldn't of gotten more than 6 if he had signed now.

The twins only got 6.1 million last year.

Vanek now, gets a 5 million dollar contract, Pominville now gets a Roy deal of just 4-5 range. No one but Miller gets 6 million on our team now.

Myers will probably only get a deal of 6-7 million, and hopefully for a D of his caliber, or soon to be caliber it will be a steal.

Scott Gomez is a 7 million dollar player also?

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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:46 am 
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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
Jim Bob wrote:
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1.7 mil is my price to keep either of them.

Rivet's cap hit is 3.5 mil, and then it jumps down to Montador at 1.55 mil. I would slot both Tallinder and Lydman at about 1.7 mil. If either one wants more than 2 mil per I'd let them walk.

Depending how bad the UFA market gets, it might be necessary to keep one or both. Leopold really isn't the player Buffalo needs. He had only two PP pts all season...two. I'm hoping Seidenberg's (9 pp pts) market value stays steady at his current 2.25 mil contract. Kurt Foster (26 pp pts) would be a great signing if his value doesn't go to high from his dirt cheap 600k contract. I'd would hope to sign him long-term for around 2 mil per since his right-handed shot would be needed after both Rivet and Montador's contracts run out next summer.


Lydman & Tallinder will both get MUCH better offers than $1.7M per on the open market.

Jeff Finger got over twice that on the open market a couple of years ago with the Leafs. I would be surprised if Lydman & Tallinder get less than $3M per on the open market. And I won't be surprised if they are making $4M per or more.

All it takes is one desperate/stupid GM that needs a legit NHL defenseman....

Or in this case, one or two stupid GMs


Yeah but Jim Bob, that was during the height of the stupid contract phase. The cap has steadied out, and GMs are under tight budgets now. There is no way they get a 4 mil offer. I won't deny the possibility of them getting a 3 mil offer for one or two years, but that is a stretch IMO. They want to stay in Buffalo, and that is going to HAVE TO include a home town discount. That is why I would offer 1.7. To re-sign them at their current cap hits means not improving, because they are getting older after all, and still won't be useful on the PP. Keeping them at the same price also means not having cap room to improve elsewhere.

They could definitely get a better deal from another team (around 2.5-3 mil per), but that price is not in the Sabres best interest. For them to stay (which they want) and for Buffalo to put a better team together next season, they'll have to take under 2 mil.



You just never know man, you never know. I wouldn't even stress about free agency if I were you guys, I just make my wish list and sit back and see what happens.

Look, one GM thinks player A is worth X amount of dollars and another GM thinks player A is worth considerably more. It's all about supply and demand. Every player says they "want" to stay, but the reality is that their agents deal with all of the bullshit and guess what? The more the player makes the more the agent makes and the agents have the ear of the players. They can make a bad situation sound good. Now, some players just want to win a Cup, like Hossa. But most players are in it for the bank.

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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 9:36 am 
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Idk 1980, Spacek got a pretty solid deal last year, I think there's more than a fair possibility.

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Fair possibility of what though? Spacek made more than Lydman or Tallinder before he signed in Montreal, he's a better player. Montreal went on a spending spree and he still signed for under 4 mil. No way do Lydman or Tallinder get a 4 mil per contract. They very well may get a 3 mil per contract from somebody, but Buffalo would be far overpaying for either player if they try to match that and keep them.

They have been over paid for the last 3-4 years, neither are actually worth but 2-2.5 mil per, and Buffalo won't be better by trying to keep both at market value. That's why I say to see just how much they want to stay in Buffalo and keep both at around 1.7 mil each. That way there is enough cap room to sign another d-man that can play the PP, or to afford a bigger salary for an impact forward through trade (ie Sharp for Stafford+pick).


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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
Fair possibility of what though? Spacek made more than Lydman or Tallinder before he signed in Montreal, he's a better player. Montreal went on a spending spree and he still signed for under 4 mil. No way do Lydman or Tallinder get a 4 mil per contract. They very well may get a 3 mil per contract from somebody, but Buffalo would be far overpaying for either player if they try to match that and keep them.

They have been over paid for the last 3-4 years, neither are actually worth but 2-2.5 mil per, and Buffalo won't be better by trying to keep both at market value. That's why I say to see just how much they want to stay in Buffalo and keep both at around 1.7 mil each. That way there is enough cap room to sign another d-man that can play the PP, or to afford a bigger salary for an impact forward through trade (ie Sharp for Stafford+pick).


No I'm not disagreeing with you, I just think there is more than enough evidence of players getting paid high above their worth to suggest that either one of them may command such a contract. Like you said, it probably won't happen, but it wouldn't be a surprise to me either if it did.

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I would want to keep tallinder, because of how well he played with myers

myers could play like shit next season, paired with someone besides tallinder

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I dunno, Mo, Tallinder was playing in a contract year with a stud rookie who carried him throughout the season.

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you could be(and most likely), 100% right

its what keeping me leery on letting tallinder go tho

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